Posted by justice (anonymous) on July 18, 2009 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well justin she is a raciect and you said you were not in the minority group you are wrong i can take it you are white american, so go and try an start a "WET" white entertainment television just like "BET" black entertainment television and see how far you get.WE are the minority we have no rights, try and get help from the government if you are from the usa you get none if you are from outside the usa get free health , food stamps, etc. "good day"

Posted by southernboy (anonymous) on July 18, 2009 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The above comment is poorly punctuated and spelled, consequently, it is difficult to distinguish what is being said. Who exactly is "we?" All American citizens?
If that is the case, then I would disagree, as there are far too many of "us" receiving benefits unnecessarily form our already financially burdened government. A more serious issue is the dispersal of welfare, food stamps etc for many who do not need it, take advantage or feel is their "right" to be taken care of instead of investing an effort in themselves. Supplemental government aid should be just that, not a viable source of income for anyone who feels they do not need or want to make an effort to work or educate themselves.
I , as many of different races and creeds, am from a minority, my grandparents immigrated here as so many others and had nothing. No government aid, no welfare, nothing. They took themselves up out of poverty by working and learning the English language etc. They did this for the betterment of their children and in so doing , created a better life for all ensuing generations.
I to, experience the "sting" of stereotyping right here in Andalusia being of a different cultural and spiritual beginnings, yet fully as american than anyone here.

In my humble opinion, we could no better than to invest some confidence in our new government, president and direction. If that threatens anyone, I suggest education and informing yourselves whilst leaving personal emotions aside. Look beyond to the future of our families and countries.
I support movement forward, our president and Judge Sotomayor.

Posted by canon09 (anonymous) on July 18, 2009 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do agree with the welfare thing. Many, many people who are healthy and able to function are receiving food stamps, when in all actuality they should be working somewhere! My grandmother's food stamps was cut down to $10 a month!!!!! Yes, T-E-N dollars, when this woman that lived up the street from her, who did not work received over $600!!! My grandmother told the welfare office what they could do with the $10! It's not fair that people who deserve some kind of assistance can't get it!

People who come here from other countries get a free ride as well! They can go to college free, get health care, and on and on when we as Americans can not get a break! Our kids can't go to college free unless they receive a scholarship of some sort, and free health care, yeah right!

To the editor that wrote this article, I say to you, if you want to gamble, you do you! Don't worry about what people think and say. I bet that those same people you are talking about have friends that gamble, whether it's the lottery, slots or better yet WALL STREET! These same people who are looking at you cross-eyed gamble, too, in some way, shape or form. They don't have a heaven or a he** to put you in. You do you and forget the rest.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 18, 2009 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

southernboy: When a critical response is made to a writer in this forum, it is advantageous for the critic to be a "cut above" and not make the same mistakes they were criticizing. This forum allows us to express opinions and hopefully offer ideas to improve understanding of the issue being discussed. Some folks may not punctuate properly or spell correctly, but we get the essence of the point being made. With this being said, I reply to justice: I agree with your point. It certainly appears that minorities have more rights and receive more assistance from a willing government. Middle America is used like a football; kicked from one end to the other for being hardworkers that want to be free and independent. Liberals choose a new "word du jour" every few years in an effort to promote their agenda. The word du jour now is "racist". I am called a racist because I do not fall in lock step with Obama's agenda. I didn't fall in lock step with president Bush's agenda either, but was not called a racist! Go figure! I am called a racist because I do not feel that Sotomayor is what America needs on the Supreme Court bench. I am called a racist because I believe there is a double standard between minority and majority. Liberals can label me anything they choose. Just because they say it, does not make it so! In my opinion, Liberals are the true racists. They promote programs and agendas that keep minorities down and dependent. That is about as racist as one can become! It reminds me of the finger pointer, saying YOU did this , YOU did that. All the while they do not realize that as they point their finger at ME, three more are pointing back at them! I agree with southernboy regarding the steps to take oneself out of poverty. Hardwork and self reliance is the formula for success. I too support forward movement. However, I can not reconcile forward movement with a trillion dollar deficit! How dare the government put this burden on the backs of our children, grandchildren and THEIR grandchildren!! I support having facts rather than just an opinion. Learning the facts, as I interpret them, did in fact cause me to believe Obama is a threat to America.One glaring fact is; Obama is taking this country down an economic slippery slope and it will take decades from which to recover. Simply stated, I do not support his agenda. Neither do I support the confimation of Sotomayor. Nothing personal against either of them, strictly business! The US Supreme Court has been the safety net to guard against Sotomayor's erroneous opinions. Now the fox is invited to the hen house and America is in trouble! I too ask people to become educated on what is going on in our government. Do not depend on blogs, news anchors or uninformed friends for your information. Read numerous different viewpoints, research records and reports. Truly listen to what is being said. The truth is out there and we are all smart enough to find it!

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on July 18, 2009 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: best comment I have ever read in any of these sections. I agree completely and would like to add that even though everyone has a right to their opinion, some need a REAL education from (as you stated) many sources before forming that opinion (southernboy). I gave Sotomayor a chance but she blew it during the hearings. And, Justin's article is right on the money. Thank you.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 18, 2009 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: Brilliant post. Thank you!
I agree that Justin's article is spot on. Sadly, in America today anyone with an opinion that differs from the liberals is labeled something. A racist, a bigot, you name it. And frequently instead of..."I disagree with you because"... those with the conservative opinion are told that they have "no right" to say that or "no right" to that opinion. Liberals don't want to debate the issues preferring to stop civil discourse by resorting to name calling.
I do have moderate Southern accent. It is hilarious to me that people think its okay if I'm from Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, or Louisiana. But Alabama?? Heck, only Mississippi is worse.

Posted by southernboy (anonymous) on July 18, 2009 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fascinating commentary.

Posted by alabamachris (anonymous) on July 18, 2009 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with all of you that say you are perceived to be "intellectually challenged" when you tell someone you are from Alabama. I was not born here and have only lived here 3 years but my local friends make me feel welcomed like a life-long resident. I lived in MD for 11 years and never felt that way. I am proud to say I am from Alabama.
I call myself an independent-conservative, seems we all need labels. I was a Republican for years but since both political parties’ are putting us in the poor house and burdening our kids and grandkids with enormous debt, with nothing to show for it, I can not support either party.
This judge is just one more example of the CHANGE that is happening to our country. SAD.
I keep writing my congressmen and let them know my opinions on subjects in the news and other subjects that concern me. They do write back. They do not always agree with me and that is fine too but I think it is good that they know how I feel. I would recommend each and every one of you write to your congressmen and let them know how you feel. Writing here is fine but will not change anything—writing your congressmen might.
I can say that Congressman Bobby Bright seems to be a straight-up conservative guy. He believes in individual hard work and does not believe the government should be in the bailout business. Senator Selby is another story. He thinks it is his duty to get as much money as he can to the state of Alabama, no matter what it is spent on or that just maybe not spending the money in the first place would be the prudent choice. I asked him how he could call putting all Alabamians and future Alabamians in debt for life was a good thing. He has not responded and will not get my future support or vote.

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on July 19, 2009 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I vote for LoyalAmerican!! Enjoyed your streight forward post. You are a true American.

Posted by SouthernAttitude1 (anonymous) on July 19, 2009 at 10:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, LoyalAmerican! Your intelligence is showing and it looks good on you. Any way you can head off to Washington and get some of this mess straightened out??
Seriously, very good comments and a straight look at how things are now. Keep 'em coming. Maybe it will give us all something to think about.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 20, 2009 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, this is the best post I have ever read and I agree 100% with everything you had to say. I feel harder at the people who voted these liberals into office than I do the ones doing the destruction to our country. We knew what Obama and Sotomayor were and are from their records, but until the voters decide to become informed or educated, we will still have ignorance deciding elections. I just wish people would find out the truth about their candidates before they vote. It's like you said, the truth is out there and people had better wake up and look for it or the nation we love will soon be nothing, but a part of history.

Posted by jamthree (anonymous) on July 20, 2009 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well,i dont care if people call me a racist or not.people are going to call me something anyway.people need to learn how to be honest and tell the truth.politicians tell things one way,but when you talk to everyday real people you get a whole different outlook.i,m a rebel till i die and race has nothing to do with it.being against tyrants has everything to do with it.if we dont change things YOUR government is going to do us all in!

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 20, 2009 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The AFL-CIO has launched a new voting record on their website, which will be a great tool for checking to see if our elected officials are voting for the majority of the people, or the tiny minority who have all the cash (and contribute generously to campaigns).
I think these three votes are a good indicator of where our Alabama Senators stand in relation to the lower and middle working classes:
1. Medicare Prescription Drug Negotiation / Cloture (S. 3)
Millions of seniors rely on the Medicare Part D prescription drug program, but they face soaring prices while the pharmaceutical industry pockets billions in profits. In the first six months after the drug program went into effect in 2006, drug company profits increased by more than $8 billion. A Bush-backed provision in the 2003 bill that established the prescription drug program prohibited Medicare from using its purchasing power to negotiate with drug makers for lower prices. S. 3 would allow Medicare to negotiate with the drug makers. Republicans filibustered the bill. It requires 60 votes to end a filibuster, and a cloture motion to end the filibuster failed April 18 by 55-42.
Helping it to fail: Sessions and Shelby, both with Nay votes.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 20, 2009 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

2. Minimum Wage / Clean Increase (H.R. 2)

For more than 10 years, the federal minimum wage remained at $5.15 an hour. Because of inflation, its purchasing power in 2007 was at its lowest level in 51 years. The Bush administration and Republican congressional leaders blocked many attempts over the years to raise the wage. But a new Democratic majority opened the way to boost the minimum wage. H.R. 2, passed by the House earlier in January, was a "clean" minimum wage increase--to $7.25 an hour over two years--with no strings attached. Senate Republicans sought to add another round of tax breaks for businesses, which have received over $300 billion in tax breaks since the last minimum wage increase in 1997. Republicans filibustered the clean bill. On Jan. 24, the Senate voted, 54-43, to limit debate on the clean minimum wage increase, but 60 votes are necessary to end a filibuster. For 134 days (over four months) following passage of the House bill, the legislation was held hostage to demands by Senate Republicans for more business tax breaks, a delay that end (sic) up costing minimum wage workers over $750 million

Voting against the increase: Sessions and Shelby

3. Temporary Tax Relief Act of 2007 (H. R. 3996)

The bill, passed by the House in November, would have provided 23 million middle-class families with more than $50 billion in tax relief by protecting them from paying the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT), that was originally designed to ensure that high-income taxpayers pay their fair share. The bill included a number of one-year tax extenders, including an extension of a tax deduction for expenses paid by teachers for school supplies. The cost of providing relief from the AMT was offset by closing the so-called "carried interest" loophole that allows a small group of Wall Street millionaires to pay a 15 percent capital gains tax rate on earnings from managing certain hedge funds, instead of the 35 percent rate that is paid by most workers. Sixty votes were needed to end a filibuster against the bill, and the legislation failed Dec. 6 on a 46-48 vote.

Who helped it fail? Sessions and Shelby.

We finally have a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President. Please support the Democrat of your choice for Governor of Alabama 2010!

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 20, 2009 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is it that they are able, just by sheer repetition of their lies, to convince the poor whom they are bilking at every turn, that those "nasty liberals" are out to get them? How can people be dumb enough to watch themselves being raped economically and still vote to let the ******** keep right on doing it? I am speaking to all of you my fellow Alabamians? Some of you speak about being an informed voter but I truly do not understand this. Someone please enlighten me? I seem to be missing something here, is there some great secret that all of you know that I do not? Where can I go to find this information that you speak of?

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 20, 2009 at 8:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: The question was, "Who are the real racists?" How does minimum wage, Medicare, Tax relief and AL Govenor's race,2010, have any demonstrable bearing on the aforementioned question? I am truly saddened that you, a fellow Alabamian, can not grasp how we become informed as citizens. What is more sad, is the fact that no matter what I could say to enlighten you, you would never accept it as fact. However, I will give you one beam of enlightenment. Never underestimate people that you do not know. I may be called a lot of names, but dumb is not one of them. I will take that fact one step further...... I will bet the farm that not one previous writer on this subject is dumb either. We can disagree on any subject with grace,dignity and maturity. Using cutting and condescending remarks is unnecessary!

Posted by southernboy (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 5:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear iamabookworm:
Thank you for your splendidly written commentaries.
How refreshing to see viewpoints written without caps, exclamation points, shouting and condescension.
Never underestimating people is excellent advise, no matter who is writing or what topic. I applaud your style.
Grace, dignity and maturity is how we debate back home.
Your insight is thoughtful on the initial topics and therefore, I will be looking to enjoy more of the educational information you present so well.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm, I have no idea how the subject got changed to minimum wage, but I applaud both Shelby and Sessions for their stand. Minimum wage is a job entry level and wasn't designed for people who have any desire to do better to stay at. I was visiting my Mom a while back and heard where they were talking about a minimum wage increase on tv. I told her that it should not be over 4 or 5 dollars per hour. My niece was sitting there and she said "I have you to know I haven't had a raise in 3 years". I told her that if she had any get up and go about her that she wouldn't be stuck in a entry level job and if she wasn't happy with what she made to make herself worth more. What people don't understand is that every time minimum wage goes up, so does everything else so it just winds up hurting everyone. It shouldn't take very much smarts to understand that. I thank God that the majority of voters in Alabama are not yellow dog democrats like they were years ago and most do inform themselves on the issues. This by itself is a big sign of progress for our state.

Posted by USCitizen (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: If I may add to your commentary... I, too, am tired of being bullied. We ARE called racists if we don't blindly agree with the policies and "change" being implemented. It sort of becomes a manipulation technique... if you don't agree, you must be racist. Well, that's just not true. It's not the person we don't agree with, it's the person's stance on the issues. I can't help but think about Obama's comments regarding the current healthcare bill that has been presented to congress. He stated (I'm paraphrasing) that those who would oppose this bill are satisfied with status quo and oppose change. NOT TRUE! Some people just see that this bill is not the change we need! In effect, he is trying to bully those that would oppose the bill by saying if they don't accept it, they're "bad." America is so much smarter than this.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Great points made! Many entry level wage earners do not grasp the concept that entry level minimum wage should be short-term, not a way of life. Once again I state; a liberal government agenda is meant to keep people down and dependent. The major power base (not all their base) for liberals, are people who are down and dependent. This type of liberal agenda is absolutely racist. Liberal leaders project themselves as superior, that is racist. Liberal leaders have brainwashed a large segment of America's population into believing the liberals will make a difference and make America the elusive Utopia, if you keep them in office! That is racist, because only one major segment, minorities, is being targeted. All that has been created, after throwing billions and billions of US dollars to keep people down and dependent, is a society of entitlement seekers. Life should be about stepping stones, improving oneself and not stay in a minimum wage mindset. My father was never given a dime of assistance. At age 16 and the eldest of seven children, he became the breadwinner for the family when his father died. My dad quit school in the 10th grade so he could work and put food on the table. Every year at planting time, as he looked at the south end of a north bound mule, day in and day out, he made a pledge to himself that he would make a better life. He read everything he could get his hands on, studied with borrowed books from his siblings and turned his life into something meaningful. Out of his weekly wartime earnings, he saved ten cents. That 40 cents per month savings was one day going to buy a suit, tie and shirt for the one interview that would make all his dreams come true. He worked his way up the ladder and at age 35, he was a Corporate VP. Self taught and self made! I am so proud of my dad. Drive, ambition, pride, hardwork, self reliance, determination or dedication does not belong to any one race. A dear friend recalls her days picking cotton in MS. She said that everytime the cotton boll pierced her finger and it bled, she vowed to better her life. This friend is Black and I point this out simply to show that no matter what color your skin may be, you can overcome any obstacle thrown in your path. My MS friend worked her way through college, earning her Doctorate in education, with NO aid whatsoever! Then she built a private school in the southwest that is successful beyond belief! America needs to get back to basics and stop all the political pandering, for which both major parties share guilt. We have allowed these politicians too much freedom with our dollars and it is time to show them we are too smart to continue their game. For those who want the government to take care of them; I suggest Russia or China as your new home. Americans, are smart, innovative and giving. We have allowed our government to take advantage of our goodness, turn citizen against citizen due to racism. Now it is time to stop the madness.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, I know that my dad was raised very hard too, but it just made him stronger and more determined to do better for his family. He and his brother had to quit school after my dad finished 6th grade to plow a mule, I know there were hard times back then, but it was determination and hard work that got them through it, not government handouts. My dad was never a millionaire, but he was a good provider and wanted us to have better than he had. My mom and dad raised 5 kids. None of us ever went to college, but I guess that was by choice. When we graduated high school we went to work full time. We always had summer jobs and we bought our own school clothes. He raised us to work and none of us have ever been out of work other than the time it took to find someone that needed help. I have both black and white friends who have done well financially and I know of both that haven't. Much of this success or lack of it, is from desire or lack of desire. I've never sought to be wealthy other than to be able to provide for my family. God has blessed me in that respect and we have always had a roof over our heads, clothes on our backs and enough food to survive. We haven't always had a lot of luxuries, but we've had a good life. Government really doesn't like people like us, because we see them as more of the problem most of the time, rather than the solution.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 6:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: You all are what makes America great!

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've been thinking of many possible things to respond to you guys, honestly many of them scathingly critical. People ask, "Why are you such a liberal democrat?" I'm a liberal because of what the word, " liberal," means. Regardless of what some believe, to be liberal does not make anyone evil or a threat to the country. A liberal is not a bad person whose words should never be heard, but liberalism is a character trait that derives from an open mind. I believe in helping others, working hard and having an open mind. I am a liberal because I support the application of reason in all policies. In no case should any amount of tradition even give an instant's pause to reason's advance. What you give comes back to you, and revolves through the country too.
Liberal eyes tend to see beyond what makes conservatives afraid. Since a liberal democrat sits on the left, they don't need to be, "right," all the time. They open their minds and eyes to see the truth that sometimes the other guy is right. Don't hate what makes you afraid. Be brave and dare to look through two views. The truth will be somewhere in-between. Keep what works from the old days and throw the rest away.
The majority of people in America agree that we want reform and that was reflected in the November election.
You know my upbringing was not very different than the one that you describe Rgodwin. I have truly went through some difficult times in my life and it is true that these trials are what has made me the person that I am today. I have done well for myself, I live in a nice house, I have a good job, a little money in the bank, a good husband, the proverbial two kids and a dog. The difference between us as I see it is, because I know what it is like to be on the bottom I am not adverse to giving someone else a hand up.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm, Conservatives are some of the most liberal people there are when it comes to helping others in need. It's conservatives that make America the most generous nation on earth. Political, democrat liberals are not the same kind of liberal that your say your back ground is. Most people that I talk to that claim to be democrats have the same morals and beliefs I have, but the problem lies in that they don't have a true idea of what their own party stands for. If the leadership of the democrat party told people what they truly stood for, only the extreme radical left would vote for them. Many people are democrats simply because their parents were, years ago and have no idea what the people they support truly stand for. My dad was a democrat for years and he is probably still registered that way so he can vote in local elections, but thank God he finally opened his eyes to understanding that the national democrat leadership wants to keep voters ignorant.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 9:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks LoyalAmerican, I'm sure you're are much better educated man than I am, but I can tell from reading your post, that we are cut from the same cloth.

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Worm, the current polls do not indicate that people want reform as much as you would like to believe. A large portion of the people who voted for "the anointed one" in November did so because he was black......a lot of which could not intelligently discuss the issues at hand nor can they now. Now I know that I will be called a racist and/or bigot but that's okay. If stating facts causes one to be slandered, so be it.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: Your post is very insightful and helps me understand your position. Your words are food for thought and I appreciate you for choosing to respond as you did. Believe it or not, we share common threads. I also believe in: giving a helping hand to those in need, we need reform, being a good neighbor, having an open mind, being a good citizen and working hard. Where we truly differ is how we treasure tradition. Conservatives, such as I, are steeped in tradition. We want to preserve institutions, and prefer gradual change rather than "knee jerk" haste. Perhaps a better suited term to describe my philosophy is Traditionalist. People with liberal views are in no way evil and neither are conservatives. Just because our chosen philosophy has been labeled "left and right" does not mean that I think I am "right" and you are "wrong". I am brave and in no way afraid to look at anything viewed by liberal eyes. I will celebrate our common threads and be tolerant of differing views. We need the iamabookworms, rgodwins,southernboys, USCitizens,etc of the world. We need more of us and less of the politicians.

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If I say," Our Goverment is made up of pure gangesters" will I be called a racest"?

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone ever wonder why God said," Never let the Left Hand know what the Right Hand is doing"?

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have really enjoyed reading all your posts.The People really are the ones who make America. Not our gangsterous goverment. Obama and Congress must be stoped or is it to late? But how, pray tell.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: What better education can you have other than living life? I have learned more watching and listening than I learned in a formal setting. You are so right about conservatives being generous. We give without expectations. That is what makes us unique.
MoreCowBell: You are correct, the polls are showing that Americans are awakening from their sleep and realizing it was really a nightmare! A lot of voters are admitting they voted for Obama because they did not want to appear racist. That was a tragedy compounded by ignorance!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 21, 2009 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

winkie: No, you will not be called racist if you call our government gangsters. What you will be called is correct!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

winkie, you are certainly correct as far as I'm concerned. The democrat leadership has always claimed to be for minorities and the poor in general, but by giving handouts have done nothing but produce generations of government dependent people and this by itself was racist. The democrat leadership are the true racist, not the people in general.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can tolerate people with differing opinions. However, I can not tolerate a government whose sole purpose is to rule rather than govern. The Obama Agenda is to rule. He truly sees himself as a world ruler. He is an arrogant racist and Marxist. He has the gift of gab and so many people have and are still falling for his verbal sewage. Last week I had a young, barely 20-something, worker at my home. I asked if business was good and was told yes they had more to do than they could handle. I told him to work extra hours because I feel people are getting things done now while they still have money. I voiced my belief that if our government passes this trillion dollar + health bill, we are in for some very hard times. This young man said, "Oh, I don't believe that. Obama said everybody is going to get free insurance so I will be saving $200-300 per month"! I was appalled. Of course I shared another view point with him and hopefully gave him food for thought. Another generation of government dependent people and the beat goes on........

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good for you LoyalAmerican. We need to be telling our young people liveing and being an American is not a free ride. "Freedom Aint Free". When its free.............look out.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If Obama's proposed health care is so great, why doesn't he he announce the he will put himself, his family and every member of congress and their family on it? If this was part of his plan, every member of congress would vote against it and you'd never hear it mentioned again! I just don't get why people don't see something like this that is so clear. It's all about power. He care's nothing about you, me or anyone else. It 's all about power and his enormous ego!

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay, first it is truly surreal to me that by any stretch of anyone's imagination you could say that conservatives are about helping people in need. Maybe people who are considered to be in the same social class as them but how about people of different backgrounds whether that be race or socioeconomic status? I don't find your statement to be true, just go back up a few posts and read what you guys were saying, your own words betray you. You say that democrats don't know what their own party stands for, again, that is exactly how I feel about Republicans.(how anybody can stand by the party of hypocrisy, I'll never understand) As to Democrats trying to keep voters ignorant, that you would even say that is a hoot!!! In all seriousness this conversation just fascinates me, I just cannot understand your reasoning. I do not claim to be a member of either major political party, I just look at the facts, critical thinking skills are vital.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You guys are denouncing Obama's health care plan so I would be interested to know what type of alternative solutions do you have in mind? Something has to be done or pretty soon none of us will be able to afford health care. Do none of you have any family members, close friends, who are without health care? How about have any of you heard of a “working spouse surcharge”? Google it, I had some personal experience with this issue this past year. A favorite conservative talking point is how a Washington Bureaucrat will be in charge of your health care, but I say who is in charge right now? It sure isn't you or your Doctor. The system we have is broken so if we cannot have a government run program to give the insurance industry some competition, what do we do, just let people die like some third world nation? I have an Uncle that I have this debate with, of course, he is retired Air Force so he has TriCare and doesn't have to worry about health care, but out in the “real world” where all the rest of us live, health care is huge concern. Next year my son will graduate from college, until then he is safe on our BC/BS plan but what if he doesn't find a job right away? What if he gets seriously ill in the interim? You can bet that I would do anything in my power to see that he gets the care he needs even if it bankrupts me. My husbands mother has no insurance. She does not yet qualify for medicare, doesn't qualify for medicaid and can't afford to get a policy on her own. She is employed part-time, they keep her hours just below 40 so that she doesn't qualify for health care benefits. We are all hard working people, we pay taxes, do everything right but we have no security! Where was all the Republican outrage when were spending trillions of dollars on an illegal war?
Truly, I think ideologically we all are too different to ever come to an agreement on these matters. What is important to me seems far different than what is of the most importance to you guys. Maybe i'm wrong about some things but at least I can say that my heart is in the right place. Nobody can ever accuse me of being uncaring. All I want is for the world we live in to be a better place, we just disagree on the best route to take to make it that way.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Republican! Who said anything about being Republican?

Both parties have the same utltimate agenda - it's their game plan - those two parties have long been in bed together to destroy our Constitution and Statehood bringing us to our knees, whether it be health care, or socializing our economy and businesses - bring us to our knees, people!
They want us to beg for these changes that will be our demise.
This has been simmering in the pot of treasonous executive orders, which override our Constitution, as well as the Suprme Court's interpretation of the same - for many years.

We must pray as never before, for our Nation is being attacked from within. Please understand the precarious situation we are in.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm, I will be the first to say that our health care programs may not be perfect, but no one tells me now when I can go do to a doctor and which doctor that I will see when I decide I need to go., but I just don't know all of these people without health care. They may not be paying for a health care plan, but our emergency rooms are full of people every day who taxpayers are paying for and a big percentage of these are there for non emergencies which cost the taxpayers millions each year. I bet if your mother-in-law had an emergency that she would be treated. If they didn't treat her, she would be well able to pay for health care after the law suit was settled.
I also stand by my statement that conservatives are the most giving and caring people in the world. Conservatives can be from any party. I don't like the leadership of the republican party right now because they think we have to become like liberal democrats to win elections. I don't believe that for one second. Liberal people like so called conservatives John McCain and Colin Powell have high jacked the republican party leadership, but the base is still conservative. We will, have a true conservative leader to emerge and we will take our party back. I don't have to ask anyone what to think or believe. I educate myself on an issue and the answer is usually clear. You will never learn the truth from a news media that is so in the tank for anything that Obama and the liberal democrats want to do. Self education is vital and it's not hard to find the truth about something if you truly look. I believe you're a good lady, but I also believe that you get you viewpoints from listening to the same liberal media that drools every time the great one opens his intentionally deceptive mouth.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin, I don't know what type of health care plan you have but if you are not confined to seeing a doctor in your network without paying big time out of pocket you should count your blessings. We don't see who we want, we have a list of doctors and hospitals and we have to stay within our network or pay dearly. As to the people in emergency rooms for non- emergencies, we are paying for them already when the hospital passes on the cost to us the consumers. If I didn't have insurance and I didn't have any money and I got sick, or my child got sick, what SHOULD I do? What would YOU do? Sure If my mother-in-law has a true emergency they are required to treat her, I know that. But what if she gets cancer, or becomes a diabetic or a multitude of other chronic issues, what then? Will we take out a second mortgage on our home to try to help her? Will we let our own children do without?Do you know how much it would cost to insure her on our own? All I am trying to get you to do is to realize that there are people all around you in this very county that we live in who are truly hurting, just because you don't see them or don't personally know them doesn't mean they aren't there. We are not indigents, if you see my mother-in-law in Walmart or on the street you would just think, “what a nice looking lady.” She owns her own home, she works, but the system that we have in place now is not working for her as it is not working for many other people. If she pays for health care it will mean that something else doesn't get paid or she will have to do without a necessity. She is widowed by the way. What would you have her do? At least President Obama is TRYING to do something to help people.
You think I get my viewpoints from listening to liberal media, well I figure you get yours from the exact opposite. I'm betting you are a listener of Rick & Bubba in the morning and probably Glenn Beck at night. You probably read The Wall Street Journal , The Weekly Standard ( both owned by Rupert Murdock), and if you hit any online sites it's probably The Drudge Report. When you turn the tv on it is probably preset to Fox News. I am a voracious reader and I read many varied publications to include newspapers, magazines, blogs, books etc. I guess that perhaps two people can read the same thing and come away with two opposing views. I read, listen and watch, not only people that I agree with but also people with contradicting viewpoints, case in point,(AndalusiaStarNews Bloggers) :-) The point is please don't try to pigeon hole me because as I am sure that you did not like it when I did it too you a few sentences ago, neither do I. I read both of Barack Obama's books, as I did read John McCain's. Can you say the same?

Posted by nwcorner (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The real racists are the bilderburg group who control the federal reserve. These are the ones who are controlling our fate, they decide who gets what and when. After the terrible job bush did they knew it did not matter who they put in office as long as they were not republican everyone wanted a "change" Obama was the one to sell it to them. look out the sh*t is going to hit the fan.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm, I am truly sorry for your mother-in-laws situation and anyone else who doesn't have some form of health care, but if you believe for one second that Obama cares a thing about you, me or anyone else, you're dead wrong. He is interested in insuring 12 plus million illegals because those are democrat votes and votes are power. If his plan passes it will destroy private sector health insurance. He is a socialist and destroying our freedoms each and every day and the democrat congress are following lockstep. I have not read Obama's or John McCain's books and will not in the future. My time is much more valuable to me than to waste it on something like that. Obama is a low as you can get in my book and John McCain isn't a republican, much less a conservative. I respect his service to our country, but he has done more to hurt the republican party than he has helped. Obama is trying to rush this through because he says it has to happen now and it wouldn't even take effect until 2013. They've already voted for a useless stimulus bill that no one knew even knew what was in it and our kids and grand kids will never be able to pay back and they are going to do the same thing with this health care disaster. I'm truly sorry for the people who don't see how destructive this man is.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: You are on point and speaking truth! Thank you! As long as we have people such as yourself speaking and writing, I can rest. iamabookworm: My tolerance has evaporated. Don't get me started on military issues such as an "illegal" war, spending trillions. By the way, how many trillions do you allege? We are a military family. We bleed in camouflage.Your Air Force uncle is in the real world! He paid his dues and earned all benefit he receives. I am irked that my sons must salute Obama. He is not worthy to lick their boots much less be commander in chief. To answer some of your questions; Yes, I know some people who have no health coverage, my brother being one. He recently had surgery, the cost was $42K he promptly took $5K in cash, to the hospital administrator; the debt was settled! Innovative thinking at its best! No one can be denied health care by a hospital. We have outstanding doctors and health care facilities, that is not the problem. The problem is fraud, waste and abuse, not the medical care. You are profoundly confused if you think a government run health system will prevent Americans from "dying like in a third world country". Gov't health care will cause more deaths. Canada shows a 16% increase in cancer deaths since they began socialized medicine. Yes, D.C. bureaucrats run medicare and medicaid. But now the difference is; we have a bureaucrat with a Socialist agenda! You speak of hypocrisy as a conservative trait. Explain your democratic golden guy, Al Gore. Global warming, fewer carbon footprints, big SUV's, big mansion with tens of thousands of kilowatt hours used to cool said manse. What a hypocritical conflict! Then Obama flies in his fave pizza man with dough in hand, AF One buzzing NY for photo op and numerous conus and overseas flights within 6 months! Hypocrisy at its best! You are insulting to say conservatives do not help those in need! How many nights have you left your home and put boxes of groceries and clothes on doorsteps of the needy? How many times have you secretly paid the electric bills of needy families? How many abused women have you mentored and paid their tuition so they can begin a better life? How many times have you paid daycare for total strangers because they needed help to find a job. How many times have you checked with teachers to find out if any student needed help with supplies? How many winter coats have you purchased for total strangers? How many homes have you taken Christmas gifts and holiday meals to? How many times have you gone to a Veterans hospital and listened to the wonderful stories in the life of a veteran? How many times do you go to a nursing home to brush the hair of an elderly woman or take a lonely man for a wheelchair ride? How dare you tell me that I do not care or imply that I am selfish! Woman, you know nothing about where the rubber meets the road. But I am sure if you Google it, you'll find where it does! Get your son on welfare. It is good enough for the poor!

Posted by USCitizen (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm:

1. If you have private health insurance and you want to see a physician that is not "in network" then you need to take that up with that physician. HE/SHE decides what insurances will be accepted at that practice. It isn't the insurance companies that decide which physicians will be allowed to accept their plans.

2. As a hard-working, tax-paying, American citizen, you should be absolutely OUTRAGED at the possibility of having to help pay for ANYONE that isn't willing to get out, earn a living, and qualify for some type of medical coverage. Much less, paying for those who aren't even here in America legally, but must still receive treatment at a hospital BY LAW (kind of contradictive, huh?) Your mother-in-law is in a very unfortunate predicament, but she is NOT the kind of case I am referring to. Yes, a universal healthcare system is a nice idea, but not by the "rules" proposed in THIS bill. Instead of being hasty, allow congress time to read through the bill thoroughly and make a decision. I believe your mother-in-law would benefit more from a system that has been given careful consideration than from one that was established in haste.

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Government run health care is not about offering better health care, it's about control. The same can be said about gun control. It's all about we the people giving up more of our liberties and freedoms to more government control. We have become sheeple who have been lead astray and have allowed our government to slowly rape us. This goes for Dems and Repubs.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 22, 2009 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, Thank you very much for your last post. You stated many things that I wanted to say but didn't know how to put in words. I know that there is a big difference in ignorance and stupidity, but if a person sees facts and and then chooses not to believe them, ignorance then becomes stupidity. There are many things that I am ignorant about, but I'm not ignorant or stupid when it comes to what these American hating liberals are attempting to do to the country I love!

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 5:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

UScitizen YOU don't know what you are talking about! LoyalAmerican your venomous diatribe succinctly demonstrates your ethos more than any words you could have typed. Good day!

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 6:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Worm, I agree with LoyalAmerican's venomous diatribe. Unfortunately for you, he/she is correct. Traditional America is being destroyed by the likes of American hating liberals hell bent on sending it down the drain. Enjoy the Democrat controlled government while you have it because it will end come 2010. 1776!!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 6:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm, I think you are dead wrong about both of their post, but the average reader had no idea what you were saying, anyway. We are from south Alabama and the majority of us aren't book worms. If I'm going to write something, I try to use words so that anyone reading will be able to understand my meaning. That way, no one could possibly call my wording racist.

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 6:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Worm is probably one of those persons that is educated beyond their intelligence.

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 7:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who ever Worm is I think I remember her/him say I dont belong to either party. rgodwin and LoyalAmerican, its Great to know America is Alive and Well. Your posts are apprecitated. Obama has not read the Health Bill he does not know whats in it . He has lied his way in and trying to lie his way through. Personally, I would love to see his real Birth Certificate as well as school records , because he was/is a citizen of Indo. I never will believe he is a legal American. He is from the house of Ishmael. Arab.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama's own paternal grandmother said that she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961." This is what makes me so angry with the ignorance of the American left and so called moderates. This alone disqualifies him from being president of the United States Of America according to our constitution. It also disappoints me that people don't realize we are the greatest country in the world, because of our constitution, that liberals seek to destroy! We as a nation are just a little over 200 years old and have surpassed all nations that have been in existence much much longer. This did not happen by accident. It happened because of the insight that our founding fathers had for limited government and the safe guards they put in place. We as a people have allowed government to get far more powerful than was ever intended and we had better clean house of these liberals or we will soon be one nation gone under. It is truly disappointing at how little our children are taught in our public schools about the history of our great nation. This, by the way, is also a part of the liberal agenda.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: You failed to answer the question; How have you helped people on a lower socio-ecomonic level? I really would love to compare notes regarding what I and my conservative family have done for the disadvantaged to what you and your liberal family has done. As for me writing a "diatribe", my words were neither bitter or abusive! Venomous? Please tell me what part was venomous! Just as I suspected, you will not address any points being made. However, I do appreciate your commenting that my my post was succinct! I too think it was precisely expressed without wasted words! Please step up and debate. Don't be the shoot and scoot liberal that says things then takes cover!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MoreCowBell: I love your word "sheeple". You nailed it!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MoreCowBell, I loved it too, but I'll admit that I did have to look it up, but that's how real conservatives stay informed.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is a novel idea. How about family members pitching in and paying for health insurance for other family members? My husband and I helped my mother until she qualified for medicare. We currently pay for our son's medical insurance. I find many times that people can afford what they find important. When I was a child, there was a joke about a family on welfare. They were so poor they didn't have a crib for the baby. The poor baby had to sleep in the box the color TV came in. Well, in my experience in working with families in poverty, this isn't far from the truth. How many people claim they can't afford insurance yet have cable/satellite TV? How many can find the money for eating out but not for insurance premiums? Or how about the payment on a brand new Z71 pick up? Maybe that's okay, after all, you need a vehicle to pull that new bass boat. I have also seen a lot of kids who receive free and reduced meals at school, throw most of the food in the garbage, pull money out of a pocket and buy ice cream.
The federal government has no business being in charge of the health care industry. Universal health care has not succeed in Canada or in Britain. How do I know? My neighbor has dual citizenship (US and Canadian). She knows first hand what a mess it is in Canada. I also know Canadians who come to Washington state at their own expense to get medical treatment. When we lived in San Antonio we met several Canadians who came to San Antonio to see a dermatologist. No,they weren't snowbirds. They traveled to Texas just for treatment. They could afford it. Just like some will be able to afford any doctor, any hospital, any clinic they choose while others will take what the government decides they deserve. There will be triage. The government will decide quality of life.
As pointed out by MoreCowBell, many in our great nation are sheeple. We have much to be concerned about.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WAtidefan, those are great points. I would love to know how many of these same people who claim they can't afford health care, also have cell phone for each member of their family. I understand that there may be those on fixed incomes that truly can't afford anything other than the necessities of life, but most of these are covered by some form of government assistance already. If health care was truly a priority to most people who don't have it, many would do without their cell phones and other luxuries to pay for the care. Health care is not a right for me or anyone else. The only guarantees in this life that I know of are death and taxes.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm, while you are contemplating answering LoyalAmerican, here are a few other things for you to think about.
Why Obama is NOT the President of the United States

The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
Note: This article and section describe the prerequisites.
1) The Burden of Eligibility Rests with the Applicant:
To date Obama has only released a “Certificate of Live Birth”, which can be issued to anyone born outside the state of Hawaii. The state of Hawaii itself does not allow this certificate to be used as a form of identification when applying for services provided by the state to their citizens. Adding to the confusion, Obama has listed in writing two completely different hospitals when ask to clarify which Hawaiian hospital he claimed to have been born at.
Simply put, to date Obama has not proven he’s eligible and until Obama releases the long form birth certificate proving where he was actually born –
He is NOT the President of the United States under order of the Constitution!
2) Kenyan Birth:
Three relatives including Obama’s grandmother and aunt attest they were present at his birth in Kenya. Specifically they claim he was born in Mumbai, Kenya and the nation of Kenya also publicly claims that this is in fact correct -

3) No Transfer of American Citizenship:
Obama’s Father was Kenyan and Obama’s mother was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time –
Thus, he is NOT the President of the United States!
4) Dual or Multiple Citizenships:
The Constitution requires a Natural Born Citizen meaning a person without split allegiances. Obama at birth inherited his citizenship through his father who was a Kenyan and subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, thus making Obama a dual citizen –

5) He is an Indonesian Citizen:
Obama attended school in Indonesia at a time when only citizens of Indonesia were allowed to attend. He is currently listed as an Indonesian citizen and this is because he was adopted by an Indonesian and became Barry Soetoro. There is no record of him renouncing his Indonesian citizenship or for that matter applying for American citizenship.

6) He was a Foreign Exchange Student:
Obama was known to classmates and professors alike at both Occidental College and Harvard University as a Foreign Exchange Student. He was not known as an American student.

There are more reasons, but my post space is limited. If we had honorable leadership in government, we would not be dealing with this American hater now. I guess maybe it wasn't against the law for him to run, but it was unconstitutional for him to be sworn in, as our nations president. How could people possibly be so blind as to still support him?

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson: his motto. I think ole Tom is on to something here. 1776!!

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: 1. If Obama is not the President, then who might it be? 2. What has this got to do with who the real racists are?

Differing in principles than many that have posted on this thread. Yes. Ameriacan hater and the anti-christ. I doubt it. I suppose you think JFK getting shot was a conspiracy? Is Elvis still alive? Did we actually put a man on the moon?

Great article by the way!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

'So blind as to still support him' - I believe it is because the MEDIA carefully hid this information from Americans and completely disavowed knowledge of the true status of Obama.

The Media is also in bed with both parties and network to accomplish the one-world elitists' long planned agenda, which was announced to the world by Bush's father, former CIA chief and U.S. President, of which Obama is the current puppet.

Former Communist Leader, Gorbachev, highly approves of their choice. Obama was groomed with Wright as his mentor. The truth is in our face...we must be humble enough to admit we have a Trojan Horse in the White House.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: forgot about cell phones; great point.
Shamrock: you are absolutely correct about the long term agenda for a one-world government. Obama has already stated the he is a citizen of the world.
Now, what do we do about the Trojan Horse?

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic, I actually do believe that JFK getting shot was a conspiracy, but not the rest of things you listed. I said that constitutionally that Obama is not president and constitutionally he is not. It's spineless politicians and a weak supreme court that allowed this to happen.That's exactly what I meant by saying, "if we had any honorable leadership in government that we would not be having to deal with America hater", who also, is a racist.

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Purelogic, I'm not sure about JFK, but Elvis is definitely dead and yes we did actually put a man on the moon. Also, America hater yes....can't say yet about the anti-christ thing..but possible.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've been at work all day...........in case you guys were wondering but really I don't think there is anything left to say. You win, your minds are made up about everything already, there is obviously nothing that I can contribute to the conversation. I'm thinking pointless endeavor. It seems to me that you all are just interested in trying to validate your own opinions and don't care about anything anybody has to say that might be contradictory or cause you to look at something in a different light. I enjoy debating but this has turned into something else, and I will accept guilt for my part in that. I am sorry for being insulting to anyone individually, anything that I said about conservatives was not directed at any individual person but rather relates to my own personal experiences. If you can think of anything that we MIGHT possibly agree on, PM me, otherwise I'll let you guys have it. I have a new book to read tonight so I think I'll go relax and let you solve the world's problems without me. I think you have it under control, ;-) Oh, I almost forgot, LoyalAmerican, that WOMAN comment, and you talking all traditionalist on me, (got me to thinking) tell me you are not one of those men who like to keep women in a subversive position, LOL, that would just be too much for me.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tradition. What is the one thread that is constant in tradition?

As a traditionalist myself, I see GOD as the constant in tradition...the key component in our Bill of Rights and Constitution, that God Created all of His children equal, and we have rights that God has established for His children - inalienable rights.
When we speak of civil rights, we speak of rights given to us by government. These rights can be legally taken from us.

Those who are enlightened free thinkers such as 'Iam', and our leaders...find tradition tiresome and nonessential, that God must be erased for full freedom to be enjoyed, not realizing that freedom is a gift from God and proves His protection on our Nation.

Does that not remind us of the French Revolution? How Reason rules over tradition, faith and God.

Trojan horse in the White House. The only recourse we have at this late date, is a return of Americans to our Traditions and humbly beg our Creator to spare our Nation the inevitable Justice that hangs heavy upon us.

I remember what Pope John Paul II said to Pres. Clinton - that a nation that kills its unborn cannot stand. If this is not corrected, we will lose the protection of God.

Heavy indeed.

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Worm said, "It seems to me that you all are just interested in trying to validate your own opinions and don't care about anything anybody has to say that might be contradictory or cause you to look at something in a different light".

And you're not...I think the same shoe fits your foot!

Enjoy your book, I shall be doing the same.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Iam. I was writing while you posted. You are so wrong about Loyal American. So very, very unenlightened. I have to refrain from laughing outloud, seriously, not at you personally, but at your condecending Reasoning that you have acquired by your bookworming.

You would enjoy life much more in France, where the "enlightened free-thinkers" love to debate one another over who is the most enlightened, sipping cafe au lait.

Aren't we already tired of that word, "enlightened"?

Bon soir, mon ami.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: With me running the risk of disappointing many, I must confess, I am a woman! I am a proud mother of five and grandmother of nine. Using the word "woman" was in no way meant to be derogatory. I have always preferred being called woman rather than "lady". I think it stems from hearing the term "lady of the night" and what was meant by that moniker! To me, "woman" is a word that underscores strength.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin, MoreCowBell, Shamrock, WAtidefan and winkie: You all have written superb posts today. Much has been written that will help me make points to those living "the lie". Thanks....

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

L.A.: You are very welcome, my dear Woman. We love you and bless you. I think many are surprised.

It is the Holy Spirit that gives life to words of Truth - Truth that you profess eloquently and easily.
When It is allowed, It is simple, and can be understood naturally by every person who has a pure heart - a heart desiring the Truth.

Thank YOU!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 11:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks LoyalAmerican, I don't guess I had considered that you were a woman. I just knew that you are conservative, very smart and eloquent with words. I thoroughly enjoy reading your view points, because I can tell that you put a lot of thought in them.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 24, 2009 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama proved without a doubt Wednesday evening, who is a true racist, when said the Cambridge police acted stupidly, before he knew any of the facts. He admitted he didn't know the circumstances and he still made a stupid, very non presidential comment. This man is so arrogant that he won't even admit he is wrong, even after the facts prove him wrong. Obama, before he knew the facts, was ignorant of the situation, but by commenting and condemning the Cambridge police without any evidence, he then became stupid. He, without his teleprompter telling him what to say, has shown the world who he truly is. He is an egotistical liberal, who hates America and the freedoms that our fathers and forefathers have fought, bled and died for! The egotistical hypocrite is on the radio right now as I'm writing this, dancing all around an apology, but he is too arrogant to ever truly admit he was wrong. He wouldn't even be talking about it now, if his poll numbers weren't dropping. America really screwed up, when we sank to a new low and elected this poor excuse for for a president.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 24, 2009 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The incident with the Cambridge police and getting national attention from the president's remark should be a lesson to all, black, white, liberal and conservative to not assume anything until the facts are known. It is a type of pigeon hole phenomenon that happens with broad assumptions just as with stereo-typing genders and ethnic groups. This is pretty much the definition of racism.

From what I read, it seems like everything was blown out of porportion from Henry Gates when he refused to show an ID. From there it seemed the president made an incorrect assumption before the facts were known. The fact that he called the officer afterwards is a good sign I think. The quoted words from the press release while not an out right apology were more or less the same meaning.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 24, 2009 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic, I understand what you're saying and no one likes to be wrong, but it is very cowardly for a person in any position, but especially in his position, not be man enough to stand up and set the right example to all Americans and say he was wrong. He's too arrogant to ever do that, unless his poll numbers hit the floor.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 24, 2009 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well it seems we have returned to the original thread.

I keep reminding myself who mentored Obama: Rev. Jeremiah Wright, master of sarcasm, as well as his friend, Louis Ferrakhan. Who can forget his pompous discourses in the style of Hitler and Castro.

Did anyone pick up on the recent Islamic meeting in Chicago to recruit people to join this terrorist group to overthrown the United States - held at the Hilton Hotel?!
I caught their promo video - very professional quality, brazenly showing the bombing of our country.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 24, 2009 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock , I've followed it a little. It just goes to show how far down hill the leadership in our country has gone and how many have followed them. Until we stand up as a nation, make English the only accepted language and remember that this nation was built on Christian principles and turns back to them, our Country will continue to decline.

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 24, 2009 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MoreCowBell:
In regards to the Jefferson quote and "1776", can you describe your definition of the rebellion for our times?

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes. Rebellion is to be in opposition, to revolt. Such as opposition to universal healthcare, abortion, cap and trade, taxpayers revolt (i.e. tea parties). It is healthy to voice your likes and/or dislikes to others and those in power. Do you agree? I also agree with Jefferson's quote regarding tyrants.

Posted by biscuitsandhoovergravy (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This thread has evolved into the best and most informative one ever to grace this paper. Until we shed this cloak of political correctness we have draped ourselves in and stop bowing to the race baiters and liberal pundits we will never feel free again. The logical next step is for the politically and fiscally conservatives to choose a viable cantidate and elect them to the white house next election. Same goes for congress and right on down to state legislatures. Dont be afraid to be labeled racist or bigoted...that is their way of trying to alter your conscience thereby influencing your vote. I am not a racist...but I dont consider a persons skin color to be an exuse for being lazy or violent or in any other way a drain on society. Keep up the commentary...it can only help.

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock:

In regards to Jefferson's quote can you describe what your definition of a rebellion for our times would be?

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TO: IAMABOOKWORM:

I want to pass on to you this Latin expression: "illegitimi non carborundum."

Southern history since the Civil War has had one overarching theme: the people who control the existing economic power structure can continue to exploit the lower class (mostly poor, uneducated whites) by confusing them with racism, religion, and fear.

Until the South invests in an educational system that teaches critical thinking rather than memorization, the kinds of opinions expressed in these posts will be normative. This is especially true when you add in religious beliefs that are judgmental and absolutist. But, hope springs eternal. Andalusia is blessed to have someone like you in its presence.....so don't let the "illigitimi" get you down.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MoreCowBell, I really liked your answer on rebellion, it makes total sense to me.
biscuitsandhoovergravy, I also really liked your post too and agree with you 100%. I hope that we will have a true conservative leader to emerge with a strong backbone that we can feel good about voting for. We have too many of these so called conservatives that can't stand up for what they believe in because they are afraid that they will offend someone. I personally don't believe in giving someone else the power to offend me, because if I did, it would make me doubt my values and beliefs. I don't believe we will ever have the true servant type of leadership in congress until we get term limits, get them off of taxpayer paid health insurance and stop their pay the day they leave office. These people work for us and until we as voters, start treating them like employees who can be fired, they will continue to be arrogant and shove things down our throats by slipping them into bills that no one has read.

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks rgodwin. Rebellion and opposition is writing our elected officials to let them know when we disagree (and sometimes agree as well) with issues. They want our input. It is getting on here and voicing our concerns with each other as we are doing now. It is getting involved and showing up at the ballot box to cast our vote for (or in some cases against) a candidate. As for 1776, I don't have to explain the significance of that date but for me it is a rally to make some serious changes in 2010 by electing some real conservative independents instead of the same old names. I would love to see alot of "I's" by the names of some of our elected officials rather than a "R" or "D". I appreciate the comments from all regardless of which side of the fence they stand even though I don't agree with some of them.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Opinions are just that--not right or wrong. Education teaches facts(or at least it should), and hopefully ways to give in depth thought on any topic that would arise in one's life. I hope education never does try to teach opinion.

Another thought, if everyone thought the same, and had the same opinion, there would be no reason for any debate.

Estragon, how does the economic powers control the lower class by confusion? Could you give more detail here please?

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Have you noticed whenever Iamabookworm gets in over her head, here comes Estragen to rescue the antitraditionlist free thinkers and the French Revolution Enlightned Ones. HoHum.

Purelogic: "Estrogen, give more detail...'
you have asked for it innocently enough, and detail you shall get, while the rest of us take a long nap. It is programmed opinions of the ultra liberal flap. More HoHum.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Purelogic: We forgive you this time. I think we did excellently well with eloquence and truth, with LoyalAmerican taking 1st place, don't you? Thank you for your part.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I enjoyed reading through LoyalAmerican's post. I can't say I agreed with everything that was said. I was also shocked when she proclaimed to be a woman. :)

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MoreCowBell:
I was relieved to read your definition of Rebellion and 1776, rather than the militant armed Rebellion (insurrection) that usually culminates into Martial Law, Arrests and Incarceration of Patriots.

Thanks for making it clear.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pure: sensible liberal bloggers who have encountered LoyalAmerican in the past, think twice before jumping into the fray to get knocked down again.

If you go over her explanations again, you may find that you agree with her more than first reading, because her thoughts have that ring of Truth. Truth is simple and easily understood by a pure heart seeking the Truth.

Hang in there...we may have made history.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Purelogic:

I will refer you to Diane McWhorther's Pulizter Prize winning book, "Carry Me Home," published in 2001, about the civil rights struggles in Birmingham. Ms. McWhorter, who grew up in one of Birmingham's most prominent families, records the relationship that the power structure in Birmingham, including members of her own family, had with Commissioner Bull Connor and the KKK in order to perpetuate their privileged, economic status. There are many other history books, mostly used at the college level, documenting this phenomenon of the "Big Mules" using racism and demagogic populism to manipulate the poor, uneducated white voter from voting his and her self-interest.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Elections are more or less a popularity contest. Politicians can't make a move without their motives being questioned. I think this discourages good honest politicians from even running to begin with. I would not doubt that corruption has run rampant in some cases, but I wouldn't stretch this to say in every case. If we could only get each citizen to know who they are voting for it would be quite an accomplishment!

This is a phenomenon of democracy however. It's still much better than dicatatorship. We are entirely free today to educate ourselves on whatever we desire. Just as republicans try to obtain votes, democrats do the same, and as well as any other candidate that's on the ticket.

Responsibility lies within each individual to pursue happiness, knowledge, and vote however they wish. What an outstading country we live in were we can say that we can freely do such.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So true, Purelogic, so true. Your statements are straight forward.
Let us remember that we are not a democracy. We are a REPUBLIC. Ahh!
We do not want a democracy. We left England and founded a Republic, under God.

But alas, God, the Creator of the Universe has been taken out of the equation, and we have a stinking mess that has quickly decended into Socialism.

Brilliant men prophetically warned us that we would have to struggle to remain a Republic - if we don't hold tight.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To Estragon: Thank you for your words of encouragment, I think Andalusia is blessed to have someone like YOU. I will make a note of the book you suggested to Purelogic and I will read it, I am always in search of a good book. Shamrock: If you will go back and read the words that I wrote earlier, I didn't get in over my head. I realized that what was I was doing was an exercise in futility. Not because I was wrong, but because like I said you people are just looking for someone to validate what you already THINK you know.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"illegitimi non carborundum" is pseudo Latin.

illegitimi is not bastard (illegitimate) in Latin. Carborundum is not Latin. It is the name of a mineral used for grinding.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm, you would make an excellent college professor at some liberal college, but I hope and pray to God that you don't teach in our public school systems. If there is a such thing as over education, you are definitely a victim, but you do not use pure logic, as those of us who THINK we know.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I regret that there are lot of liberals teaching in our public schools (grades K-12). Students don't have to attend a liberal college to be indoctrinated. If you notice, there are two things that Estragon says must happen if the South is to become enlightened as he/she and iamabookworm think they are. One is to teach the children in the South critical thinking. The other is to abandon a religion that is judgmental and absolutist. Liberals really don't want critical thinking taught. If you think they do just try having students present more than one side to climate change. Do not dare to question liberals. While they claim to be the open minded ones; the ones who embrace all religions, all philosophies and ideas, they are the first to call names and label others. This is done in an attempt to stop any discussion or debate. Notice that those posting opinions different from bookworm and Estragon were called illegitimate. Liberals do love and embrace all religions --except Christianity. When I saw that Estragon was posting, I wondered how long it would be before Christianity was bashed. It didn't take long. If you really want to know the agenda for public schools, take a look (if you can stomach it) at the NEA website. Read a recent speech given by retiring General Council Bob Chanin. If the speech is no longer there you can still read about the radical agenda of NEA. See what NEA is spending millions of dollars to support. It is frightening.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 10:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Re: Post Obama/Cambridge. I agree with everything you wrote. One point I would like to bring back into light is Obama's remark (and I paraphrase) "Cops pick on Blacks and Latinos". This is outrageous and absolutely proves he is a racist. This guy uses every opportunity to drive a wedge between whites and any minority! He is seeking the Latino vote and found an opportunity diss a white cop and gain favor! First his Sotomayor pick, now his racist Latino remark! Obama is the most "unpresidential" president America has ever had! The professor involved in the incident was showing his true colors also when he bellowed "racial profiling". All racists have a quick trigger. They always bray the loudest! Folks, if we don't unify, have a grassroots movement and make a partial reclaimation of America in 2010, we are going to be in an extremely dangerous situation.
Shamrock: Not only have I paid close attention to the terrorist meeting held in Chicago, I canceled my Hilton Honors! I let Hilton know I don't need rewards for staying there........because I will not be a guest again....ever!
My sons are on the front line fighting terrorists, struggling through 120 degrees of heat and blinding sandstorms; and an American corporation rents the terrorist a platform in America to spew their hate? All self respecting Americans should bombard Hilton with complaints!

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: Many thanks to your sons for serving our nation.
I, too, have been following both the stories you mentioned. Sadly, I am not surprised at the terrorist meeting in Chicago or any where else. We are barreling into the abyss and so many will not see it. I frequently read a website that provides information about terrorists and their activities in the US. We will, I fear, see an increase in such activities as terrorists and radical Muslims in general become emboldened because Americans remain silent. Muslims are well schooled by sympathizers on how to use our own Constitution against us.
Obama will continue to prove himself to be a racist. A leopard can not change his spots.
God bless your family and God bless America.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 26, 2009 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WAtidefan: Your post regarding liberals is on spot. I have always kept close tabs on what my children were taught in school. I taught them how to recognize indoctrination techniques and guard against partisan opinions being drilled into their brain. I have extremely intelligent children who stand their ground, respectfully. My 11th grade grandsons' school (not in AL) invited someone to come and lecture about the history of the Koran. Afterwards, my grandson went to the principal and strongly suggested equal time be given to the history of the Bible. My grandson would not let up until a lecture on the history of the Bible was confirmed! And confirmed it was! There is hope for our future generation! As for the name calling, it is for the lower echelons. Just because a liberal refers to us as "illegitimi", don't take offense. I don't concern myself with the speakers of dog latin. I prefer pure Latin.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 12:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: I wasn't really offended. I just don't like snobs! Or rather, those who try to be snobs.
Your grandson is awesome. Tell him to keep up the good work.
Dog Latin! I love it!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 7:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WAtidefan, I understand totally what you're saying about the NEA and liberals in general, but many of these people have risen to where they are in life by claiming to have beliefs other than those they truly hold. If they came out and just announced that they wanted to destroy the education system, very few would vote for them. Liberals are very patient and they take small victories which really add up. They have been destroying our education system for years, to destroy free thinking. I have a daughter in education and she was raised to be a free thinker and she is a strong, Christian conservative and no organization will ever tell her who she is going to vote for. Obama says he's a Christian, but doesn't believe Christ is the only way to heaven. According to my bible, that one ignorant statement proves he's not a christian. Christ said that "no one comes to the Father,except by me". If that offends someone reading this, I'm not sorry! Obama tries to be all things to all people. It just really upsets me when good people get suckered in to believing his lies.
LoyalAmerican, I want to tell you that like many others, I honor your sons for their service to our country. I know that you are a proud American and their service, although I'm sure it's hard on family, makes you even more proud. I pray for their safety and safe return.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, you are 100% correct and even more so about making a partial reclaimation of America in 2010. Racist Obama is doing everything he can to keep race issues alive. His beer invitation to the two involved in Cambridge has a double purpose. Number one, he's trying to make himself look like a hero and number two he keeps race in the forefront, for those too ignorant to see his true purpose. This is one smart and evil man, who like you said, is the most non presidential man this country has ever elected. For true, free thinkers, republican or democrat, he is the biggest disgrace to ever hold our nations highest office. It is my wish that every voter will look at the records of those they vote for before they cast their vote in every election. I believe that most people are basically good with good intentions when they vote. They just need to do their homework before they cast their ballot, because the lack of homework, is why we are in the mess we're in today!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Excellent as always!
Do you see how strong a voice we have when we decide to jump into the fight, in unity, using Truth as our weapon. And Truth is so easy to understand by the pure heart that seeks It.
I just would like to get transcripts of this debate and make copies for the high schools to distribute to our students.
Having a live debate at the schools would be a blow to the Progressives and NEA - now that's the Rebellion I'd like to see - students defending their beliefs in class - whether it be religion, evolution, economics, or ideology.

And Homesechooling still, at least for now, is an option.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: I am aware that liberal educators are patient. I had written much more but decided the post was too long so did a quick edit. The process of highjacking our educational system has been decades in the making. The infiltration has been quiet but persistent. I have witnessed the destruction first hand. I appreciate your daughter very much. I hope she continues to fight the good fight. We need Christian teachers in public schools.
If voters want to know the truth about those running for public office, information about candidates is always out there. One may have to dig for it, search high and low, but all politicians leave a trail. Obama's true colors were there but many refused to see them. I still don't understand it. There is hope that some are waking from their koolaide stupor and are beginning to see Obama and his ilk for what they are.

Posted by Anne (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW! AWESOME!
I would like to see these comments sent to the Newspapers in Alabama as a Supplement for their readers.

And start a new topic on NEA and what our students are really learning in the government schools - EXPOSE - before school begins. NEA is absolutely there to brainwash our children from the traditions of God, Family and Country.

And be alerted - they will be the first to be vaccinated with the untested live swine flu vaccine - France is pushing for a quick, insufficent testing.

As you know, while most Americans were purposely preoccupied. our enemies have never stopped planning our demise, networking and poisoning everything imaginable. At last, many are seeing the ugly monster that has grown to enormous proportions, effecting every phase of our lives.

May God be with us!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WAtidefan, I thank you for the comments about my daughter and she will continue to stand for what is right. I also believe that many are awakening from the koolaide stupor and pray that many many more will continue to do so! We need them all to wake up and get involved, if we're to take our nation back from these highjacker's in sheep's clothing.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

May I point to something.
I noticed that the word free thinkers is being used. My postings of this term was its use by the Atheist French Revolutionists, who refused to live under God and Christian morals. They wanted to be liberated from this. It tore France to pieces. Laws were enacted against Catholics and priests, who were hunted down, killed and hung from posts.

I mention this so as not to confuse free thinking with what some have posted as representing us. I know it was not intentional, but someone might be confused.
We may be called free thinkers, because we do not believe the lies and drivel the ultra liberals spew out to the masses.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock, you're correct and I sure don't want to be the cause of any confusion. When I, use the words free thinkers, it's because like you said "we do not believe the lies and drivel the ultra liberals spew out to the masses".

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Question for WAtidefan: Did you attend the University of Alabama? Was your tuition paid by that "socialist" program known as the GI Bill? Did you graduate? If so, I am amazed that a college graduate, who had every opportunity to become intelligent and broad minded, ended up instead as a card carrying member of the lunatic, political fringe. At least there is one thing we agree upon: "Roll Tide!"

As for you other wingnuts, good luck convincing the rest of America that Obama is a racist, that he isn't a natural born citizen, that our country is being taken over by godlessness anti-Christians, and that liberalism is evil. The sad thing is that many of you are in a social and economic position where you are benefiting from the political accomplishments of liberals. Who do you think is responsible for government insured health care, social security retirement and disability pay, unemployment insurance, workers compensation? Our community has also benefited from federal largesse, receiving grants for projects like the airport, highway expansion, and urban renewal. To all of you who are decrying the federal government and "socialism," I have one suggestion: stop accepting social security benefits, stop using Medicare/Medicaid, don't go running to the VA for benefits, and don't ask the Small Business Administration for a loan to start a business. And by the way, if your electricity is being generated by the REA, better turn it off, as it, too, came from "socialism;" you are probably better off living in dark anyway.

Finally, in defense of la révolution française, I end with this quote from Robespierre: "On ne saurait faire une omelette sans casser des oeufs." The priests had it coming to them.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, I am college educated. No, my education was not paid for by the GI bill or any other government money. I paid for it myself. I did not attend UA. I inherited my love of all things Crimson from my spouse.
I have never had the option to not pay into the social security system. Had I been given the choice, I would rather have invested my earnings on my own. So, I will have no problem cashing the paltry check each month when I reach that age. Assuming of course, that the system isn't bankrupt from paying out to those who did not pay in.
Are there government plans that I do not agree with? Yes. Our slide into socialism hasn't just started. It has been in the works for a long time. Do I think Obama is a racist? Yes, based on what he says, his failure to denounce Jeremiah Wright and his recent blathering about the Cambridge incident. Do I care about his birth certificate? No.
I have not received my card from the lunatic, political fringe of which you say I am a member. Wonder what is taking so long?
By quoting Robespierre, are you suggesting that the use of terror is acceptable. Who should use it?
I do hold out a glimmer of hope for you Estragon... at least you aren't a barner.
RTR

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WAtidefan, thank you for responding to that post. I'll guarantee you that the majority of conservatives who take the time to write in this forum do not fall into the category that Estragon would like to stick us in. Thank God that the majority of Alabamians are smart enough, that at least, closed minded liberals don't win in Alabama in national election.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 7:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WAtidefan: Way to go! I am certainly enjoying your posts. Another idiom by Maximilien Robespierre, and I quote, "The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant".
Touche`

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin: In your post referencing me you say that you “pray to god that I am not a public school teacher.” Don't you think that says more about you than me? Why would you say such a thing? Are so intolerant that you would not want a person whose views might not parallel your own to teach your child? Do you not think that many different types of people might have something valuable to offer? So here is the difference between you and I: I teach my children to think for themselves, they don't need me or a teacher or any other person in an authoritative position to tell them what to think. I try to give them the tools they need so that no matter what kind of person they might come in contact with, I need not be worried. Do you think only people who hold your same viewpoints are worthy? That sure seems like what you are saying. You might be surprised that I don't have horns coming out of my head. If you passed me on the street (as I am sure living in such a small place you have before) I look remarkably similar to the rest of you. I think I'm a pretty well liked person. I am a good wife, mother, daughter, granddaughter, friend, sister, aunt, neighbor, employee etc.. I think I am a good person, and I think that if you were to speak to anyone who knows me they would have complimentary things to say about me. So for you to say that you “pray to god that I am not a teacher”..............well, that is really spiteful and indicative more to the nature of your character than mine.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I for one do not believe that liberals are pure evil, just as I know good and well all conservative christians are not completely pure at heart. We all fall in between somewhere. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. I don't think God punishes anyone for what they truly believe with the heart.

I believe that Obama is a racist, as I believe every single one of us is a racist in some fashion to some extent. It's typical of the way we think to categorize things in our heads, because it makes things simpler- if you will, being right or wrong and in most cases just wrong. The man is half black and half white, so it's not logical that he would be racist in the black and white sense people are racist. I do not believe Obama is an extreme racist, or even a moderate racist for that matter.

I don't believe that people with good intentions are only out to undermine the country, other people that disagree with them, and the rest of the world. Sadly enough there are truly evil people in this world with all the wrong motives. The difficult part for me has always been to distinguish which ones are which. Jumping to conclusions has never been one of my characteristics, as I've always been able to see the story from many angles. I also try to practice the wisdom of judge not, lest I be judged my ownself.

In the end, I think we will all be Ok. So I think eveyone doesn't have to think we are going to hell in a hand basket. We are a resilent group of folks here in America, and troubles will come and they will pass. In the end, we will all be stronger because of it. I hope there's something each of us can learn about others and ourselves in the process, then we can all be victorious.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 27, 2009 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm , if what I said, says more about me than it does you, you can be the judge of that. I still pray that you don't teach in our public school system. You say you are one way, which seems pretty conservative, but when you talk about the way you are with your family and friends, your writing tells another complete story. Your post sound like a flaming leftist liberal and I've never seen one that is open minded. My kids are open minded and don't agree with me on everything, but they are not indoctrinated like liberals try to do kids in our schools. You don't have to take my word for anything or agree with anything I've written. I'm sure I may like you if I knew you, but I wouldn't sit and listen to liberal nonsense from you no more than I would my liberal friends. We just don't discuss politics when we're together, because they understand that I know they are yellow dog democrats and very uninformed. We just agree to disagree.

Posted by Festus (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 6:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here you go Bookworm, take the time to read this if you will.
http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/20...

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Welcome aboard, Festus.

I checked out blogtownhall. There are so many fronts that had been simmering under the Bushes and Clinton, in which through Obama are now on tap in the Senate and Congress as Bills to vote on...

We were touching on the NEA, but missed the 'voluntary corps' HR 1444. The push for passage is on -
Star News headlines - cuts to schools.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The following article isn't mine but it's true and shows what liberals are doing by chipping away at our freedoms and most people don't even notice it's happening.

H.R.-1444 and mandatory service

Mandatory service equals involuntary servitude, equals slavery.

It seems the Democrats are determined to turn the American people into slaves of the government. Bill HR-1388 would have created a commission to study mandatory service for all Americans. That language was removed from the bill before it passed, perhaps because of public anger over it. But now a new bill, H.R.-1444, has been introduced which contains essentially the same language. This bill, the Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act would create a commission to study;

"Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds."

Mandatory service is a recurring theme among the Democrats. In the 110th congress Charles Rangel introduced the Universal National Service Act H.R.-393. That bill would have required all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service for a period of two years.

During the 2004 presidential campaign John Kerry said. "For America now, service is not just an option, but an obligation of citizenship."

Rahm Emanuel, the President's Chief of Staff has also called for mandatory national service.

Mandatory service is the same thing as involuntary servitude and slavery, and is prohibited by the 13th amendment. The fact that government would be the slave master does not make it legal. One has to wonder why the Democrats seem so determined to bring this about. We also have to ask ourselves what kind of place we want America to be. Do we want America to remain the "Land of the Free", or do we want America to be a land where the people are slaves of the government?

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on target, Rgodwin -
"Land of the Free or slaves of the government" aka "slaves of the Communist government". For that is the reality of living under a Communist Regime or Hitler's Nazi Youth Camps. In faraway lands like Germany, Russia, China. No, right here.

Our youth are being preped in our gov. schools by teachers like Iam, right under our noses. Parents don't realize they relinquish control of their children when they enter them into the system.
These sad, but dangerous utopian educators have complete control of the curriculum and our children's minds.

If ever there was a time to Homeschool our youth, it is now!
Thank you for the quotation and comments. Much appreciated.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock, Thank you. I guess maybe I'm just a dumb uneducated country boy, but I wouldn't trade my common sense education for a hundred educations like bookworms and any other liberal. I just can't imagine how people can continue to stand up for these tyrants who are hell bent on destroying our country and our freedoms. They still have the nerve to say that we aren't open minded. I have friends of all colors and I hope and pray people are paying attention, because H.R.-1444 if passed, would essentially bring back slavery to all races. This is coming from people who have never voluntarily served anything, other than their own interest.

Posted by Anne (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin,
do you have the time to prepare andsend a summary of these powerful comments as a Special to the editor@starnews.com?
More people would be able to alerted in order to protect themselves and their children.
Proud to read your comments, rgodwin...and LoyalAmerican and Shamrock.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anne: good idea, but I seriously doubt the Star News would accept it for print. We have probably the most blogs EVER on RACIST, yet it's not in Most Emailed.
It is worth a try though.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What Obama's government is doing now is no different from what Pharaoh's government did 4 thousand years ago to the Egyptian people, and it will end the same. A lot of people like to call Obama a "Messiah," don't they? Is he a Messiah? A savior? Didn't the Egyptians say, after Pharaoh made them his slaves, "You have saved our lives; may it please my lord, we will be servants to Pharaoh"? Well, I tell you this - I know that Jesus is the Messiah and Obama doesn't even know Jesus. If he knew Jesus, he could not have sat in Rev. Wrights church for 20 years. If Obama resembles a character from the Bible, then it would have to be Pharaoh, because this is exactly what he would love to do to America. This may sound extreme, but then Obama is a flaming left wing liberal extremest.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anne Thanks, but there has to be someone much better prepared to do something like that than me. It's like I said earlier, I don't have much formal education, but like you, I would love to see it happen.

Posted by Anne (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Awesome rgodwin!
PHAROAH! YES!
even has the nose and eyes of the Great Pharoahs.

The question is: Will he make an appearance before or behind the great god-owl Moloch being worhipped and sacrificed to by the elitist from all parts of the world, frolicking like faeries in the Redwood Forests north of San Francisco. Picture it!
But lo! Walter Cronkite has passed away and a new deep thoated voice must be found for Moloch... Yes! of course! The Great Pharoah aka the Great Worhipful Master, can have many shrines of worship, not just one.

Stop!what am I thinking. He is much too busy flying about like a whirlwind the world over to receive praises from his sister nations for his wisdom and compassion.
Personally, I think he would make the best voice of the Great Owl!

rgodwin, please forgive this escape into my subconscience mind that teeters from uncontrolled laughter to absolute horror of what has and will come upon us. Forgive me.

I worship only one God and that is the One True God who created all things visible and invisible...3 persons in ONE GOD. Moloch worship is sacrifice to Satan, the wannabe god. Thank God,
I have recovered my sanity.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, that was very funny. I got the picture.

Except there is such a place and such a statue in such a forest north of San Francisco, where pagan acitivites of the worse kind take place every July since the 1800's.
The Seat of Satan in the U.S. is also located there, and that is not funny.
But I thank both of you for presenting a true picture of the state of our country.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: You made some very good points. After reading your post, I gave serious thought to your comments regarding Obama being bi-racial, therefore not racist in the "black and white sense". At first glance, that made sense to me. However, there continued in me, an uneasiness. I can not speak to, on any level, how or what Obama thinks. My opinion is that Obama resents whites even though he is half white. Perhaps this resentment stems from his mother or listening to Jeremiah Wright for 20 years. Either way, a case can be made.
rgodwin: Could HR 1444 possibly be the back entrance to reparations? Is it Rangels version of payback? There is one type of mandatory service that I would support; Anyone wishing to become President of the United States of America must have served in the US military no less than one full tour of duty.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, I hadn't thought about Hr 1444 may be Rangels angle to a version of reparations, but it sure makes sense. They won't quit until they get it or else we march on Washington to stop them. I certainly agree that a President of the United States of America must have served in the US military no less than one full tour of duty, plus have an honorable discharge. It makes me sick to my stomach, every time I think about him being commander and chief of our men and women in our armed forces.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pure and Loyal:
I may be mistaken, but it may have been his grandmother who had strong bias against blacks. This information that came forward was short lived. And with Wright pounding it further in personal conversations with Obama and from the pulpit would only inflame his resentment.
I believe His appearance on the scene was carefully programed.

Can you please summarizes reparations in context above for me.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: For quite some time there has been a movement underfoot, by many, to make payments to descendants of slaves. Payments would be a way to say, "I am sorry for your ancestors being held captive by slavery."
Needless to say a lot of Americans balked at this, as they should. I have always believed that anger at slavery was misplaced. The African countries responsible for selling their own people into slavery were monsterous. Had those countries not been guilty of human trafficking, slavery would not be a part of America's history.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock, reparation is money that many black people claim white people or the government owe them for our ancestors having slaves. Not all blacks feel this way, because they are sensible enough to understand that people living today can't apologize or repay for deeds that someone else did, but this is still what it is and some politicians want to force the issue just to keep racial hatred alive and well

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, you are 100% correct and I hope that nothing I wrote contradicts what you had to say about reparation.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah! the light bulb just came on. I understand Rangel& HR1444 payback now. Thank you so very much.
So right on African countries selling their own people...

This is really revenge and we are to be the new slaves. But which half of Obama will survive, or is he an untouchable?
thanks again - you are good people.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I now understand. Thank you both so very much. You are good people.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: You spoke the truth regarding reparations. I am glad that you also brought up the issue concerning politicians using reparations to fan the flames of racial discord. I am no more responsible for slavery than I am the drug problem facing our nation. The lack of wisdom from the majority of politicians amazes me.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican , It may be the lack of wisdom, but I don't believe it's the lack of knowledge. I truly believe they know exactly what they are doing, because ignorance is an automatic democrat vote.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I looked up HR 1444, as I had never heard of it before today.

That's about the goofiest thing I ever seen. Somebody needs to get a job! James McDermott must be have lost his mind. I mean what the heck? I thought the seat belt law was infringement enough, but geez!

Loyal American: I have to agree with you 110% on reparation. We should pay what we are responsible for and that's about it.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 7:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: You are correct, it has been a systematic process. A previous idiom attributed to Robespierre, and I paraphrase;oppressive power requires ignorant subjects. Again I point out, left wing democrats need the majority of their subjects to be down and dependent and this need is profoundly racist!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: The sad fact is that few, if any, ever read the bills, in their entirety, when introduced or passed by US Congress! We, as their employers, must remain alert and respond swiftly to these out of control legislators! Coincidentally, I am speaking to both sides of the aisle! We can not let our guard down. What DC needs are buckets and buckets of tar and a few tons of feathers! I would love to see and be part of a 3 million conservative march on DC! Now that would be a powerful statement! Also regarding reparations......... my responsibility for slavery would be $0.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 28, 2009 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, I for one would love to be a part of that march!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: Such a novel statement that we seldom here: "We, as their employers, must remain alert..."
Can that be said often enough so that we can remember who they are and who we are.
They would like for us to beg for every scrap they dangle before us, make us feel helplessly ineffectual, while they dismantle ou Republic.
Oh! for a Grand March! Count me in!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone, I'm posting a link and I want all of my conservative friends to go look and listen. I even hope misguided liberals will go look. This is a black minister and he, like me and many of you understands what a disgrace Obama is to our nation. This man has my utmost respect and is one of my personal heroes. I just wish he knew how much respect I have for him. You need to have a few minutes and have your speakers turned up when when you go to the site, but I love it when a respected black man stands up and tells the truth about our illegitimate, unconstitutional president. The link is below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFiab7fj...

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: My computer will not let me watch videos. Is this great black personage, Dr. Alan Keyes? When he ran for President, I voted for him. What a Christian Patriot!!!
There are many others like them.
My daughter has a new computer, so I will watch it there. Thanks for the address.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dr. Manning can say what many want to say, but fear saying, due to "political correctness". I applaud him for having the courage to call it as he sees it.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, I just wish we had some conservative leadership in congress with a backbone. We have too many on both sides of the aisle that are there strictly for self gratification, money and a career in politics. They forgot they are suppose to be there to guard our freedoms so that we can work and achieve a better life, with limited government interference.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: The issue is power! The majority in our Legislative branch of gov't are no more than power hungry, self serving, insulated from reality, narcissistic, bungling, dummkopfs. Any one of the bloggers on this site, can do better than any congressman or woman in office today, senators included. The media prevents good people from serving. No one wants their family dragged, mercilessly, through the mud. This is precisely why we don't have "non career" legislators; normal people don't want the flack. So, we have allowed this group to keep their jobs, year after year. Now they have become like a group of over-indulged children. They have tested the limits, over and over, and each time they do so, we the voters allow the boundaries to be extended. We gave in because it was easier than holding them accountable! Until Americans reclaim what we should never have lost in the first place, we are in for tumultuous times. We must clean house! Dr. Manning is correct in saying that middle class America is going to come out swinging someday and that day is nearly upon us. We can continue to blog and reach how many? Perhaps 200? No, the time is now to stand up and be counted. I love America with all my heart and soul. America is a true blessing to the world and I will not allow my country to be destroyed without a fight. My two sons are truly willing to give their life for their country. They certainly aren't serving for the money, they serve because they are good decent men who love America as much as their mom and dad and they want to make a difference! If they are willing to die for America, the least I can do is stand up for America and try to make a difference. Remember....it is all about WE, the people and WE need to gear up and make an impact!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 30, 2009 at 6:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, I agree with every word. I just wish I knew what I could do besides vote and be vocal to everyone who will listen. Americans as a whole have become like zombies, as to what goes on in Washington. I truly believe that there are enough freedom loving Americans to just paralyze Washington DC, if we just had a national conservative leader to call for one, or we as a grass roots America started a movement.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 30, 2009 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: The "movement" is essential. You know the axiom, "united we stand or divided we fall." Grassroots efforts in America can make a difference. As I said, it is all about power. What I failed to say is that power belongs to the people. We must take on an employer/employee attitude. Our gov't must be retrained to understand THEY are "working for the man" and WE are their employers. Politicians are like a run away locomotive, moving fast with much destruction in their wake. How many have ever had an employee come and say to you, the business owner, "you are giving me a pay raise at the beginning of the fiscal year." No discussion, nothing! How long would that arrogant employee remain in your business? For me, the employee would not last until sunset! However, this is precisely how congress behaves. They give to themselves, raises above and beyond cost of living adjustments. Social Security, military pay, varied pensions only receive COLA. Congress should be no different. We do need a conservative leader. However, I am clueless as to who that person should be. If radicals can muster 1 million to march and we out number the radicals, why can't we get 3 million to march and let DC feel the heat of 98.6 degrees X 3,000,000. Now that would be a blistering reality not soon forgotten!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 30, 2009 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: I truly believe that a peaceful 3,000,000 conservatives or more converging on Washington DC would really wake congress up and even if it didn't, it would surely wake American conservatives up, The news media would have no choice but to cover it, although they would try to present us as far right wing nuts. I think they're many just like us, but feel their voice doesn't matter. I know that conservative leaders aren't created, they just emerge with a back bone and core beliefs. If we had someone like this, I truly believe that both republican and democrat conservatives would support them. We don't want or need a king, we just need a good decent leader with good morals and conservative beliefs to lead us as we take our country back.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 30, 2009 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know who originated this, but I certainly agree!
"I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama.
Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama!
I will respect the Office which he holds, and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith and pray for him, BUT that is it!!!
I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that He is a one-term President!
Why am I doing this?
It is because I do not share Obama's vision or Value system for America;
I do not share his Abortion beliefs;
I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of re-distributing wealth;
I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+ (the ceiling has been changed three times since August);
I do not share his view that America is Arrogant;
I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation;
I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by 25%;
I do not share his view of amnesty and giving more to illegal's than American Citizens who need help;
I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition of marriage;
I do not share his views that Radical Islam is our friend and Israel is our enemy who should give up any land;
I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he has made public); I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcare system in America;
I do not share his Strategic views of the Middle East, and certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terrorist regimes such as Iran. Bottom line, my America is vastly different from Obama's, and I have a higher obligation to my Country and my God to do what is Right! For eight (8) years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerous entertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for their celebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritual beliefs!
They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and their philosophies, and they never came together nor compromised their personal beliefs for the betterment of our Country! They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is tolerated except being intolerant! They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years; they have mocked and attacked the very core values so important to the founding and growth of our Country! They have made every effort to remove the name of God or Jesus Christ from our Society! They have challenged capital punishment, the right to bear arms, and the most basic principles of our criminal code; they have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free speech!
Unite behind Obama? Never!
I am sure many of you who read this think that I am going overboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Below is a link that I wish everyone would take the time to go to and read. It tells the reasons why no judge will ever challenge Obama's natural born American citizenship and how the left has always used the less fortunate to further their liberal agenda. Conservatives already know this and liberals would too if they had an honest bone in their bodies. Please read the article when you have the time.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/o...

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 6:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Subject: #1 Song

This song says it All!

#1 Song in the USA

You have to watch this. It's the No. 1 song
played all over the country. Over 8.0 million hits on YouTube.
You will not hear it on the radio or on the
news.
I wonder why?
Has a nice beat,
too.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJfS1v-fU0

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Read the article.....Superb! Listened to the song.....still tapping my toes. Both cuts to the heart of the matter!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You Obama loving liberals need to go read this revised overview of (HR 3200), your Obama health care bill. I hope my conservative friends will also read it, but it will make your blood pressure shoot up and steam come out of your ears. People who voted for this poor excuse for a human being, may have some how been fooled into voting for him, but those who still support him are just brain dead. Take a look how he's trying to take over your entire life!

http://www.liberty.edu/media/9980/attach...

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 1, 2009 at 3:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Copied from email:

PSALM 2009 - 2012
FIRST BOOK OF DEMOCRAT
OBAMA IS A SHEPHERD,
I SHALL NOT WANT.
HE LEADETH ME BESIDE STILL FACTORIES.
HE RESTORETH MY FAITH IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
HE GUIDETH ME IN THE PATH OF UNEMPLOYMENT.
YEA, THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE BREAD LINE,
I SHALL NOT GO HUNGRY.
OBAMA HAS ANOINTED MY INCOME WITH TAXES,
MY EXPENSES RUNNETH OVER MY INCOME,
SURELY, POVERTY AND HARD LIVING WILL FOLLOW ME
ALL THE DAYS OF MY LIFE.
AND I WILL LIVE
IN A RENTED HOME FOREVER .

BUT I AM GLAD I AM AN AMERICAN,
I AM GLAD THAT I AM FREE.
BUT I WISH I WAS A DOG
AND OBAMA WAS A TREE.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 2, 2009 at 11:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Only those Americans who lived during the Great Depression can understand bread lines, cramped living quarters; because several families shared a one or two room apartment, joblessness and so many hardships. I am not part of that population, however my parents have recounted their memories of utter poverty. I wish everyone in America, under 60 years old, could visit a former eastern bloc country and see how socialism/communism devastated their economy and set them back decades. If Obama is allowed to continue this insane economic and political nightmare, America will suffer dramatically. It will take decades to undo the harm, IF we are able to right his wrongs. America the beautiful is being destroyed each and everyday and we are losing focus about what America stands for. If immigrates want to hold on to their country of origin's ways, then stay in your country. Come to America to become an American. Learn the language of Americans, which is English! When you immigrate to America, fly the Stars and Stripes proudly and show your allegiance to the same. Stand proudly with your hand over your heart when our National anthem is played. If you can't do this, then you do not belong in my country. Obama is undermining every thing that shows pride and allegiance to America. Left wingers attempt to make patriots feel outdated and old fashioned because we show respect for America. Loving the country where you live, will never be out of style. But.... if all Americans do not get their heads on straight and stop this madness, we will be out of luck!! At that point, you can look for a bread line and forget the American dream. The house with white picket fence, two autos, 2.5 children and the family dog will no longer exist!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 3, 2009 at 6:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: "Amen" to your entire post. Liberals like to say that America is a big melting pot and I believe that should be true, but the way I believe it, is that we should all melt into freedom loving, English speaking Americans. The way liberals believe, is that we should be more tolerant of every terrorist, homosexual, illegal or any other idiot who wants to undermine our constitution and way of life. I wish there was an island where all the homosexuals could go and if they remained faithful to their cause and beliefs, they would be extinct very soon. We could give liberals, the entire pacific coast states and they could all be tolerant of each other. The illegals could either go home and get in line to become true American citizens, or they could just go home. I know you liberals will say, "he is so closed minded", but it will take something like this if America doesn't wake up, for our children and grand children to ever know the American dream. Liberal thinking and governing is sending the America that most of us love, Straight To Hell.

Posted by Anne (anonymous) on August 3, 2009 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Loyal and Rgodwin: Have enjoyed reading your comments very much.

This conservative leader and grassroots movement is under the direction of Dr. Ron Paul of Texas. His family was willing to go through the eagle-eye scrutiny - the Media could find none. What they did do was to ignore him and what he was educating Americans about. I voted for Ron Paul for President.

The grassroots organization is alive and well and growing. The fact that so many young people who learn the truth about what is wrong with our nation and what we can do about it... they get on board.

It's not just 'old' Birchers...these young people bring their zeal and enthusiasm to the conservative grassroots movement. You can find them in our Colleges and Universities, as well as in the work places, military. And they are tough! Ready for debate with facts!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 3, 2009 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anne: Thanks and I hope and pray you are correct about the young people. We are going to need them, every one to get involved, be vocal and vote for true conservatives. I have a sense that America will not take much more of the abuse that elected officials are doing to our country and our constitution. We just have to take our country back, but do it peacefully by educating voters on how corrupt that our government has become. The more educated a person is about our constitution, the more likely they are to vote conservative. We have some crooked republicans, just like the democrats do. We just need to send them all home in the next election. The democrats are going to try to push government run health care and higher taxes down our throats, but we can stop them if we make enough noise. Everyone needs to get a constructive, controllable anger at Washington and let them know, that they work for us and we are through with their abuse to our constitution and our American way of life.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 3, 2009 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Notice to all conservative Americans. The march we have hoped for will take place in DC on September 12, 2009!! This our chance to make a difference! We need to get local and statewide networking in place and make this trip to DC. A caravan of supporters would be fantastic! We must be united! Let your voices be heard!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 4, 2009 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: I for one intend to be in Washington for the march on Sept. 12th. I hope and pray, that we as Americans, show up in masses, to protest taxes and the destructive government take over of our God given freedoms. I hope that there are so many people that it makes "the million man march", look like a family reunion. I believe people are tired of this oppressive government and are ready to take a stand for freedom and to reclaim our country, for what it has always been in the past and hopefully, what it can be again. We are sick and tired of Obama and the democrats, for apologizing to the rest of the world, for the most generous nation on earth, which is and will continue to be the United States Of America. We need each of you to get involved and be in Washington on Sept. 12th if possible. I don't know of a better way for anyone who says "what can I do", to have a bigger voice than to show up in Washington by the masses and show these elected, egotistical crooks, that they truly do, once and for all, work for us, "we the people!" If you love your country and the freedoms we've always enjoyed, get involved! in any way you can!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 4, 2009 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Taxpayer March----For more information: www.912dc.org

This is the chance to show the true strength of America!!

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 4, 2009 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Multi-million dollar lobbying firms trying to imitate grass root efforts???? You guys should look into who the money is behind the Freedom Works Foundation. Me thinks the protesters are merely pawns of the corporate lobbyists. Come on you accuse me of being ignorant, I can work a keyboard with the best of them, it is not that hard. The sad thing is, the ordinary Americans, the ones who don’t earn enough to worry about paying more taxes, will once again allow themselves to be used as pawns by Corporate America — AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS. Simpletons who are ready, willing and able to be deceived and used for someone else's much darker [no pun intended] agenda. That's fascism.

Posted by Anne (anonymous) on August 4, 2009 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin, I hope I didn't give the impression there are multitudes of the young - the young have been brainwashed exceedingly through the media, TV, School and electronic games.

The young people I am speaking of are from traditional, Christian families, like LoyalAmerican's, (perhaps yours) -many of whom are homeschooled, whose parents and grandparents have instilled in their children through example, as well as education, the tenets of our Constitution and more importantly, the Laws of God, known as the Ten Commandments, which have been replaced in subtle ways, over decades, by Reason, Flesh, Money, Discord, Domination, Violence and Pleasure.

These times that we live in are a time of purification. For the world at present, is in the claws of the Red Dragon, if you will, atheistic Communism. We must humble ourselves enough to see the situation we are in: the days foretold by the Gospel and the Apocalypse have arrived!

What we must have ever in our hearts and minds today, is that God's Plan is at work...that He has not abandoned us, and that the plan of the enemy will be short lived from this point on. Take heed, Estragon and Iam...your time of "victory" will not be the last word.

We must consecrate ourselves to Jesus, remain faithful to the Gospel, be united as brothers who love each other and who help each other to carry together the burden of the difficulties which we shall encounter in the perilous days ahead.

All glory to God.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 4, 2009 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm : I for one don't care anything about any foundation, but the grass roots movement is and will be coming from hard working Americans just like me. I don't need some organization or foundation to tell me what to think or do. I try my best to live my life by christian principles and my freedom is given to me by God and I'm not going to let you liberal lunatics take any more of them away from me. Before I go to bed tonight, I'm going to get on my knees and thank the good Lord above, for giving me enough common sense, not to so stupid, as to ever become a liberal, much less a liberal democrat.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 4, 2009 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: Your post is all over the board and I am attempting to sort out your comments. To begin, I have never labeled you ignorant. You then describe as "pawns", Americans seeking relief from the bizarre policy's of the US Know Nothing Commander in Chief, aka Obama. If you call mobilizing conservatives pawns of corporate America, what do you call the people mobilized last year to vote for Obama and "change"? Now THAT was a pure definition of pawn off! Liberals passed off to us, by deception, the most unqualified president this nation has known..ever! Your apparent revulsion for corporate America comes directly from Michelle Obama's talking points. She left that "big old fancy corporate law office to be part of the helping industry." Their adjusted gross income was never under $200K while in the "helping industry." Nor were their charitable contributions significant. Actually they were a pawltry .09%, WOW! There again, a liberal with a do as I say, not as I do spirit! Liberals abhor free enterprise and limited gov't. Those nasty old corporations make money and liberals just can't stand that! Liberals want to dictate what "ordinary" people can earn. Just look at your president, the new CEO of GM! Mr. Tim(doesn't have a clue) Gaithner is already dictating bonus amounts, if any, to all the new companies/corporation acquired by Obama...and you call me fascist? Really? Now who among us is suppressing the opposition? It is not conservatives; we applaud economic freedom! If you want to follow the money, look at the board members/stock holders of American and/or foreign corporations and you'll find many liberals raking in profits. In my circle, we call that "talking out of both sides of your mouth." Freedom Works Foundation" has no "dark agenda" to deceive! Dick Armey, Steve Forbes and other FWF board members have good reputations. You are good with the keyboard, read the mission statement of FWF. Conservatives do have common sense and fiscal responsibility. None I am acquainted with, as you say, are simpletons. The simpletons were out last November...they voted for Obama!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 4, 2009 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: LoyalAmerican is much better with words than I am and she is a very very smart, conservative lady, Her views and mine are very much alike and I don't even know this lady. I never called you ignorant either. I did say however, that any person can be ignorant until they learn the facts about any subject. If after learning the facts, they still choose not to believe them, their ignorance then becomes stupidity.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to add a comment regarding million dollar "lobbying firms". If there is one "firm" with a true agenda of deception, it is ACORN, the most racist, Constitution destroying, self-serving group in America ! Of course they don't need lobbyists because the liberals automatically pour millions of US taxpayer dollars directly into their coffers! There is one comment made by iamabookworm that I just can't seem to get comfy in my brain. If there are "ordinary Americans who don't earn enough money to worry about paying more taxes"; how can they be used as pawns? If this group is not "paying more taxes", how could corporate America use/abuse them? No one protests in an effort to pay MORE tax!! If you don't pay tax you aren't going to protest because you have no issue. Were these same Americans, the low income group, the ones being labeled "simpletons"? All this brings us directly back to the original topic, "who are the real racists". Liberals promote racial divisiveness and class warfare. iamabookworn proves this beyond any doubt! And for the record...I am no sheeple. That moniker belongs to the drooling, misguided Obamanites.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 7:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin and Anne: I appreciate your posts. United we stand! God Bless America

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good morning to you all!! WOW!! AMERICA is ALIVE and WELL!! Have you guys been listening to Lou Dobbs on CNN? Hes demanding proof of Obamas birth as well as colledge transcripts..........everything. You go Lou Dobbs.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hello Winkie: I personally don't watch CNN, but I have seen Lou interviewed somewhere else. He says he believes Obama was born in Hawaii, he just wants him to prove it. I personally, don't believe Obama was born in the U.S., but I don't believe CNN would let Lou do this if they didn't have, or have seen a doctored birth certificate. We are after all, talking about what I've always called, the The Clinton News Network. I never help their ratings by watching them, because I have absolutely no faith in anything they report, when it comes to politics. I may be wrong about Lou's motivation, but I guess time will tell.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Winkie, after reading your post on "Johnson: City's Finances are Sound", may I suggest you start reading "Who are the Real Racist, from beginning to end. It will be time well spent for you to have a better understanding of what is transpiring in, not only our County and City, but in our Nation. The postings are fascinating and instructional!

I join rgodwin in watching news channels. TV to me is a "necessary evil" I can never relax and unwind before.
These reporters are well paid to spin and delete the News, and my blood pressure rises if I seat and listen too long.

Winkie, to feel that way, you must understand what this world we are living in has come to...and why we pray, stand united and ask God to Bless America!

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The phenomenon of right-wing populism is evident not only in this blog, but across America. It is a fringe, but nonetheless a dangerous, movement. The images of coordinated mobs disrupting town hall meetings shows how even a small group of extremists can destroy self-government.

Right-wing populism has its roots in the religion, culture and grievances of the lower and lower middle class of white people who live in rural and small town America. These people feel their values are threatened by the larger society, by mainstream media, by the nation's changing demographics, and by amorphous people they refer to as "liberals." This feeling of marginalization makes these people paranoid and subject to manipulation by those sinister forces in our society who are the real reason these people have been kept down. There is a disturbing expression of self-righteousness in many of these posts, belief in absolutism, and intolerance. These people who post here like to refer to people with whom they disagree in disparaging and degrading terms, which does not advance any kind of civil discourse.

I would venture to guess that every one of the right wing extremists posting on this blog have either incomes that are well below the national average (a good guess since Covington County is practically impoverished), or a belief system that was forged in the culture of a underprivileged white society (the same class from which the KKK draws its members). Universal health care, a better educational system, and a social net that keeps people from falling into the economic abyss would greatly help such people. But, they continue to spew out hate and anger toward educated people, toward people who see life in a nuanced and informed way, as they are fed by the well spring of misinformation, lies, distortions, and religious zealotry.

My advice: First, find the facts. Keep digging until you have not just the surface facts but the ones underneath the surface. Apply logic. Then, reach a conclusion that is based on reason and good intentions. Stop being herded into a mob.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There are educated rights and educated lefts, and there are most definitely idiots on each side of the spectrum. There are poor rights, rich rights, poor lefts and rich lefts. One has no greater knowledge than the other, or superb understanding, or even income. They have basically different core beliefs, and that's it in a nutshell.

When information is obtained, it is always subject to the biased mind of the obtainer. I can research, and see what only confirms my basic beliefs, and let all the other slide down the slope if I choose. Therefore the folks on the right and left can read all the same materials, and still at the end of the day remain the same set of folks on the right and on the left.

When one side tells the other that they need to educate themselves to see "the light", this to me is just a fancy way of calling the ones on the other side stupid. A politically correct way perhaps, but the same thing differing only in they can say they have kept themselves above the mud-slingling(at least in one's mind, but not really). Getting educated from what I see will not change your core belief system. You still see things in the way that maintains that "harmony" with the inner self.

These are basic core beliefs that are not right or wrong, they are just a spiritual philosophy of life that can't be shown better than any other spiritual philosophy of life. Similar in being a Jew, Christian or an atheist. It can't be proven that one is more correct than the other. So you can not educate yourself into one way or the other. These are spiritual philosphies of faith. However, I've heard the latter is the lesser of the 3 in fox holes!

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The specific issue still hasn't been addressed, Do you KNOW who is funneling money into the Freedom Works Foundation? I didn't think so. I know who sits on the board of directors, I went to the site, but you won't find this information that I am speaking of on their home page. Dick Armey, who is ranked as one of DC's top 'hired guns,' is a corporate lobbyist with a history of directing FreedomWorks to support the goals of his lobbying clients. Armey's FreedomWorks is actively organizing against health care reform. Indeed, Armey's lobbying firm represents pharmaceutical companies, such as Bristol-Myers Squibb, that oppose comparative effectiveness research in the health reform plan because such a program may cut into revenue for branded drugs. Last year, the Wall Street Journal exposed FreedomWorks for building 'amateur-looking' websites to promote the lobbying interests of Armey.
I just hate to see people being used, even people that I don't agree with. I hope the American public will not be fooled again by this familiar Republican attempt to look like a party that cares about the average American family. I think the common term used to describe a faux grass roots movement like this is Astro-Turf. The advice that Estragon gives is sound: Don't just look on the surface, look underneath, question motives, often that is what will give you the real answers that you should seek.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For more on Astroturfing, I recommend this by CommonCause:

"FreedomWorks is the result of a 2004 merger between Citizens for a Sound Economy (a conservative think tank with strong ties to major corporations like General Electric and General Motors) and Empower America (an organization that lobbied for tax reform, Social Security reform, etc.).[11] FreedomWorks is headed by former House majority leader Dick Armey and claims to have 700,000 grassroots activists nationwide fighting for "less government, lower taxes and more freedom."[12]

Before the merger, Citizens for a Sound Economy boasted a long history of Astroturf lobbying. Slate Magazine reported in 2003 that the majority of the organization's funding came from corporations or corporate-backed conservative foundations, and that the group was mostly an "extension of Armey's lobbying work [at Piper Rudnick, a D.C. law firm]."[13]

Post-merger, the Astroturf lobbying continues. FreedomWorks has accepted corporate contributions from telephone giants Verizon and SBC (now AT&T).[14] The group recently launched its "Choose Your Cable" campaign[15] (see print ad, right), the goal of which is to eliminate local franchising agreements that are slowing down the telephone industry's entry into the cable television market. FreedomWorks is lobbying against local franchising not only in Congress, but also in many state legislatures.

FreedomWorks is also on the record supporting the telecommunications industry's position on network neutrality.[16] Broadband Internet companies like Verizon and AT&T would like to create "tiers" or "lanes" on the information superhighway: Their own content and services would be delivered using the fast lane; companies like Google and Amazon would be charged high fees to travel in the middle lane; and the rest of the web would be relegated to the slow lane. That would be dangerous for innovators, small businesses and nonprofits - but beneficial to the telecom and media companies who want to be able to sell their own movies, music and television shows while slowing down their subscribers if they surf over to a competitor's site. It would also radically change our experience of the Internet as our link to democratic discourse and our window onto the world of ideas, with no company blocking or making our access to any web site of our choice more difficult.

Net neutrality legislation would protect the open and democratic nature of the Internet, but FreedomWorks CEO Armey says it would impose "undue regulatory burdens"[17] on the companies who contribute to his organization.

http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c...

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: I'm going to let you respond to Estragon, because I think this person is insane. They posted the below statement at the end of his last post:

"My advice: First, find the facts. Keep digging until you have not just the surface facts but the ones underneath the surface. Apply logic. Then, reach a conclusion that is based on reason and good intentions. Stop being herded into a mob."

That is what he said, but that is exactly what conservatives do! I've never seen a liberal who was concerned with facts that didn't fit their agenda. They care about spin. I've never said these nuts weren't educated. They just have a liberal education and never learned to use the brain that God gave them, to use common sense. Estragon, you are wrong about us being a fringe. Obama and the democrat congress, have just awakened a sleeping giant and you will see that republicans, independents and conservative democrats will clean these liberals out of office, in a peaceful way, in the upcoming elections. The fringe you speak of, is the true majority. We've just been silent too long, but that time is over.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: I doubt seriously you info is correct, but it really doesn't matter what Armey or anyone else wants or does if Obama's policies and his health care go through. If he succeeds in these, he will destroy small business anyway and most people won't even be able to afford a telephone, much less an internet connection, because unemployment will go much much higher.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: I truly believe that you believe everything you wrote in you last post, but to me, only the part about a persons core beliefs, makes sense. I will tell anybody, that I am guided by christian principles, but that only makes me a better person. I don't consider myself better than anyone else, but I am as good as anyone else. I don't put people below me, but when a person tries to elevate themselves above me, they automatically put themselves below me as far as I'm concerned. I have core beliefs about government, but my beliefs are rooted in constitutional freedoms. Our founders knew that if government wasn't kept under control, that they would override their authority. I believe they have been doing this for years, but nothing like they have been for the last 7 months. I also believe facts are facts and if a person is looking for truth, about one subject, there can not be several outcomes and them all be correct. That is where I disagree with your last post. Truth is truth no matter what side it is on. I'm a registered republican, but I'm more of a conservative than anything else. We don't have true conservative leadership at the head of the republican party. The spineless hijackers at the head of the republican party, think they have to act like democrats to win elections. We never win when we get away from our core beliefs. I hope and pray that most of the people who read this blog just use common sense. There is no possible way, that a person having all the facts and using common sense, could ever come to the same conclusion as iamabookworm or Estragon. I truly believe, that is a fact.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 8:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Military Generals have different strategies kind of similar to chess players. Some are aggressive, some are defensive, some materialistic, and some it's all about the element of surprise or positional play. All of these different strategies can be equally effective under different circumstances.

I think universal health care is a grand idea of the best intentions, and I wish every person in this country and in this world had the best health care available to them right now. To me this is a value that would be fundamentally a christian value. Is it the government's responsibility to do such a thing? That is the part I'm not as much convinced at. We can't give everyone health care coverage while the entire economic system collapses! Is this a rational fear or irrational, again to me it's not cut and dry which is absolutely correct.

If you could take the total wealth of the world, and distribute it equally among each person, were everyone had the same net worth would this be fair? In a way it seems like it would be right. After all, God said all men are created equal. But what about the folks that are sloths, and "blow" through money like it is water. In 2 years, would the welath distribution be the same? I doubt. This is the core arguement of socialism vs capitalism. Socialism says everyone has an equal shot and can't get too far ahead and too far behind either. Capitalists say, only the brightest, luckiest, and hardest working will be on top. The sloths on the bottom, and everyone else somewhere in the middle. Which of these systems you believe is better for the country and better for the world is a "core" belief.

The US has been a mixture of capitalism and socialism for quite some time I think. If you get disabled by some means, you aren't left with nothing, there is government programs available to help with the cost of living. There will always be a balance between what the governement can afford to do, and what is ideal (ie. everybody is health insured etc.). The trouble is the government has no concept of saving for a rainy day. When the economy is good, tax revenue is at a surplus and government will get shed of the excess without saving. Why? Because the government can't possibly create an ideal situation for every man, woman and child. When tax revenue is down, the popular thing to do is borrow more money. This leads to the many conservative fears of today that there is no end in sight.

My friends, I hope for all our sake's the end is in sight. I hope we've truly hit the bottom, and it's just upwards from here.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin: (part 1)

At least we are now having a discussion that is civil enough to see the fundamental issues on which we disagree. First, about your belief in absolute truths and constitutional rights. Neither truth, morality, or constitutional rights are absolute. Moral and legal decisions are relative and depend on the underlying facts and circumstances.

For example, you have under the First Amendment the right of free exercise of your religion. This right, however, gives way to societal interests in the event that exercising your religion involves marrying pre-teen girls to the elders of your "church," having multiple wives, using illegal drugs during the "ceremonies," sacrificing human beings to please your God, killing certain endangered species, or establishing a place of worship in a neighborhood zoned for single family residences. The same goes for the First Amendment's Right of Free Speech. You have no right, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes pointed out, to cry fire in a crowded theater; your stock broker has no right to tell you to sell shares of stock in a company when he has inside knowledge; and no one has the right to use speech to defraud or slander other people.

You see, lots of other people also have rights - yours do not exist in a vacuum. Weighing and balancing everyone's rights and deciding which one prevails under the facts of each particular circumstance is necessary if we are to live in a civilized society.

If you are a Christian (and I'll take you at your word), did you oppose the War in Iraq because the Bible says "thou shall not kill?" There are no exceptions to this commandment are there? What about in cases of self-defense or to prevent a person from killing another person - is deadly force justifiable then? Our law says that it is justifiable, but it would not be justifiable if the person was committing a lesser crime that didn't justify the use of deadly force. This is what is meant by the term "situational ethics," or if you will, "relativism," and it is how humans in a democratic and free society conduct their affairs.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin and PureLogic: (part 2)
I question whether you understand the various health care proposals that are percolating through Congress. I myself find the enactment process perplexing. A plan that simply included everyone in the Medicare program, giving our country a single payor system, would have been preferable to me.

Obama left to Congress a great deal of the details concerning health reform, conventional wisdom being that the Clinton initiative in 1993 failed because it was too dictated by the Executive branch and the committee chaired by Hillary Clinton. As a result we have a typical Congressional bill with something to please every powerful Congressman and the financial interests that have contributed to these Congressmen. But, even though we apparently won't get a single payor system, some reform is absolutely necessary as our current health insurance system is unsustainable because it has not been able to hold down health care spending as a percentage of GDP.

The public option that is being drafted in the pending legislation will not result in "government running health care." The proposal is to set up a new health insurance exchange. Private health insurers can become a part of this exchange if they agree to offer policies with certain defined benefits that are favorable to the consumer, such as no pre-existing conditions limitations, continuing coverage, instead of dropping insured when they become sick and in need of health care. While insureds under these plans offered in the exchange would have to pay premiums, the participating companies will be subsidized by the federal government, just as Medicare is currently funded by a combination of premiums and subsidies from the government.

We already have the federal government deeply involved in our current health care system. There is Medicare/Medicaid, the VA and military hospitals, and the NIH. Even private health insurance would not exist today if the federal government did not subsidize it through tax deductions.

What is needed is a health delivery system that is fair and equitable, one that produces better health outcomes than we are currently experiencing, and one that our economy can afford. One person in America goes bankrupt every 30 seconds because of health care bills. The cost to employers to provide health insurance to their employees is driving up the cost of American made products to the point that they are not competitive in the global market place. Hospitals can not afford to take care of the uninsured as they must cover the cost of this care by raising charges, which are spinning out of control. Something has to be done, and I applaud Obama for tackling this problem.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 9:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: I too will be ready to see the bottom, but I sure don't think we are there yet, by design. I truly believe that Obama is evil and intends to destroy America as we know it. I also believe the bible teaches capitalism. It is not the governments job to take care of me. It is there job to make a level playing field and get out of the way, so that I can take care of myself. I do not want a government that can give me everything I want. A government big enough to give us everything we want, is also big enough to take everything we have and I truly believe this is Obama's intent, to make everyone dependent on the government. Obama has told many lies about several things, but especially the health care that he wants so bad and the liberal news media will not point out any of them. I want Obama and his policies to fail and if he does, America as a whole, will be the big winner.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon : On part one, I think you are all over the board and also dead wrong. I said that if people were looking for the truth in one subject and had all the facts, I do not believe it is possible to have several results and they all be true. That's just fact. The bible says thou shalt not kill, but it is talking in the context of murder. The bible says there would always be wars and rumors of wars, so yes I believe you are wrong about the war in Iraq also. I don't like war any more than the next person, but our country was attacked on September 11th 2001 and yes I do believe in the defense of the greatest nation on earth.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estro: your 1st premise is false. Of the three, Truth and Morals are absolute - you may mean ethics rather than morals. Do you not consider the Ten Commandments absolutes?
That is the first disagreement in the post.
By the way, are you sure you want us to find "the facts underneath the surface"? Perhaps it is yourself that should investigate the facts underneath the surface - either you are naive concerning behind the scenes government, or you just want the whole socialist program to be completed, now.

Pure: You have also presented a false premise. Socialism by Webster, is a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism, and distinguised by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.
It is governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods - a society in which there is NO PRIVATE PROPERTY.'

Socialism has been attempted many times in history and each time it has failed miserably - check out Russia. But yet it still lives in the minds of dreamers and atheists.

By the way, Gorby, "The Man with a Still-Unfulfilled Destiny", is going back to Russia to build on the Socialist Idea which he claims in inextinguishable, as he continues to contribute to the New World Order.

Estro: you may enjoy his ethical commandments and nature-centered morality. His god is Nature. And he was very upset that someone called him a closet Catholic. 'I have always been an Atheist and always will be!' Who will you choose to follow: Obama or Gorbachev. I'd put my wager on Gorby.

Have a good night.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 10:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: Part 2, I disagree with you more than I know how to express. First of all Obama is a lying, liberal, socialist politician and I don't believe one word he says. I've seen presidents I didn't like from both parties, but I've never seen one that I truly believed was pure evil. Some were rotten to the core, but I still believe they loved America. I believe Obama hates America and the freedoms that most of us hold dear. Our country is beyond broke, thanks to Obama and the democrat congress. Obama Care will finish destroying what there is left. His plan will insure what they say, is an estimated 40 plus million illegal aliens who would not have to pay! We don't have enough qualified doctors and nurses now, would you please tell me how adding millions more non paying people into the system is going to help. I haven't read the whole bill, but the parts I have read, make me sick to my stomach, as they would any sane person. Malpractice suits have caused health care cost to skyrocket and the majority of these take place, not because of anything the doctor or hospital did wrong, but because of vultures pretending to be lawyers. I know we need lawyers, but not the kind who prey upon people who are hurting and talk them into suing just so the big law firms can get richer. Between lawyers suing doctors, hospitals and drug companies, health care cost have just got out of hand, but government is still not the answer. I'm a christian and I'd love to see everyone with health care, but health care is not a right. We will all die at some point, no matter what kind of health care we have. You need to ask Obama and every congressman, both democrat and republican, if Obama's health care bill is so good, why doesn't Obama ands congress drop what they have and enroll in Obama Care. First of all, you won't get an answer, but they will still be laughing behind your back, wondering how you could ask such a stupid question.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hi Shamrock,

I don't beleive what I wrote was a false premise. Although your Webster definition is accurate as written. Here is a quote from Wikipedia.

"Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, creates an unequal society, and does not provide equal opportunities for everyone in society. Therefore socialists advocate the creation of a society in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly based on the amount of work expended in production, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how and to what extent this could be achieved."

We have been in a mixed form in the US for quite some time in my opinion, and if I presented it in a false premise, it was purely unintentional. It's the way I interpret socialism.

For example, the forming of monopolies is more or less illegal. (However one might argue Microsoft is one company who has over-ruled this law!) Under pure capitalism, this would not be here. The "biggest and the baddest" companies would bankrupt the rest, and charge what they wanted for the goods or services provided.

Other government sponsored programs lean more toward socialism than pure capitalism. In most cases, it seems to work at least better than I could imagine a pure capitalist society would work.

That is not to say I support a total socialist society. The free markets of capitalism I believe encourages innovation and ingenuity that pure socialist societies and communist societies just can not replicate. Friendly competition promotes insight into doing things better than ever before. This is one of my core beliefs. Yet at the same time the government serves as a regulator, which is a necessity I think as much as we would all like total and complete freedom. Even the game monopoly has rules that everyone must play by.

Food for thought anyway.

Good night as well!

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 5, 2009 at 11:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin: Your hatred for Obama is pure, unadulterated racism. Your belief system is appalling to me and to the majority of Americans.

There is nothing in the current health care reform proposal about insuring illegal aliens or about providing "free care." What the proposals are seeking to do is more equitably share the risk of health care cost, and to devise a method for controlling the spiral of health care cost. And, for your information, malpractice awards and premiums for malpractice insurance coverage account for only 2% of the total health care cost according to a 2004 study by the Congressional Budget Office. http://www.consumerreports.org/health/do.... On what do you base your assertion that "malpractice suits have caused health care cost to skyrocket?"

You have a lot of chutzpah calling anyone naive or stupid.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 6:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: my feelings for Obama have nothing to do with racism and have nothing to do with hate, other than, I don't like his destructive policies, no matter what color he may happen to be. I can look at his so called czars and their backgrounds and see this is a very destructive man and so can anyone else, who bothers to take a look. Obama has told people that if they know of their neighbors doing anything fishy, to email their email addressses and names to the White House. To Obama, anything fishy is free speech that disagrees with his policies. What do you think Obama wants with peoples email addresses? He'd be a slime ball, even if he was white as snow. I'm not sure what chutzpah means and I'm not going to look it up, but you are probably right on that and that's all you were right on. I also truly believe you are wrong by many millions in your thinking, that most Americans agree with you, on any post you've written, that I've had the pleasure to read.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 7:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin, I just have to ask, (incredulously) WHERE do you get this information??????????? Email neighbors addresses to the white house??????? Seriously who told you this garbage, you should check your source. I'm thinking of a book I read, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens, I think the answers to your irrationality might lie inside. I'm off to work so no need to jump on me, I won't reply till late today.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bookworm: for your information, it was on Fox News this morning on Fox & Friends 8/6/2009 and they said, Robert Gibbs didn't deny it when asked about it, but he also wouldn't say what they were going to do with the email addresses. This is how your beloved Obama tries to strike fear into those who disagree with him and his policies. The fear tactics won't work on those who truly love our country, so it won't work on me! They can come and haul me away and take what little I have, but they will never turn me, into a blind socialist, kool aid drinking liberal. such as you and a very select few who post on this site.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Example Of Obama Socialism Economics:

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had once failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's Plan".

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.

The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided that they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feeling's and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when the government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

From Street Talk America, August 2009.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin: Fox News is not news, it is propaganda. There is no collection of email addresses. Obama, like every politician, does send out emails to his supporters (disclosure: I'm on that email list), but there is nothing sinister going on. I am acquainted with a number of people who personally know President Obama. All of them tell me that he is one of the most decent, honorable men they have ever met. He is a pragmatist, centrist in philosophy and politics, and trying to bring together a nation that has been fractured by the politics of divisiveness that is spread by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc.

If you weren't so stupid, your posts would be humorous. Instead, they are sad and pathetic.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: I can't even respond to your ignorance, if you believe for one second, that Obama is a centrist of any kind. He's the most left wing radical to ever occupy the oval office and I can definitely believe, that you have friends, who are personal friends with Obama, but not one of them could possibly be a centrist, any more than you are. Fox News has some liberals just like all the rest of the Obamanite networks, but they have more sane people than all the rest combined. If it wasn't for Fox news and conservative talk radio, we would never get any facts from a broadcast network other than the conservative sites we have access to through the web. You can listen to, read and find anything you want to hear or believe, but if you are not looking for truth, you will never know the truth about any subject. All the spin in the world can not stand against truth.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm discouraged everyone is now insulting everyone else. I'm reminded why I never discuss politics other than on-line! :)

Someone inform me. I've heard several things about Kool-Aid drinking liberals. What the heck is that with the Kool-Aid? I haven't had any Kool-Aid in a long time, but the grape is pretty good. Where did Kool-Aid get tied in with liberals?

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: it just means that liberals believe everything they hear or read as long as it's what they want to believe, whether there is an ounce of truth to it or not. Conservatives do not believe everything we hear or read, most of the time unless it can be documented and proven as fact. An example of one thing that I believe that hasn't been proven is, that I do not believe Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, but he holds the power to change my mind and millions of others, but he has refused to release his birth certificate. He did have a copy of his certificate of live birth on his website, but it is not the same as a birth certificate. I don't really like the name calling either, but it's like I've said before. If a person has all the facts on a subject and still chooses not to believe them, after they have been proven, ignorance then becomes stupidity. I don't care what side of the aisle you happen to be on, that's still true.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a great article I hope everyone will read. It gives me great hope that at least, all liberals are not lost.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/h...

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estro: So, your obvious affection for Obama is then your choice over his possible rival for World Leader, Mikhail Gorbachev?

Or perhaps Lord Maitreya, Master of all Ancient Knowledge will suit your core beliefs more completely, when he at last announces himself as the long-awaited world leader. He promises to relate to all faiths - yet have no particular faith. He promises a new society that shares everything, and owns nothing.

Wait! that's what Mikail is also promising. But he says that "Nature is his God", and has "new ethical commandments" for everyone to live by. In fact, he continues to work on building the New World Order. He believes "the socialist idea is inextinguishable." And he does lots of humanitarian and charitable work. Even likes to pray at the Tomb of St. Francis and enjoys being at the peace conferences there.

But, Lord Maitreya says HE is The Evolved Enlightened Master of the Ancient Wisdom of Reason, Logic and Rationalism. The "Deus est Homo". He is everything to all men. His countenance changes and he can appear as even a woman, UFO or an ET, or someone who has died. He could even look like Obama if need be, I suppose. One thing he insists upon is that he is the long awaited for "Lightbearer"! Whoever that is.

Oh the choices we will have to make. Time will tell.

Estro, as a traditional Christian, it is troubling to me that you seem unconcerned or unaware of the eternity that awaits all human beings upon death. It is with THAT Knowledge as a practicing Christian through the Passion and Death of our Savior Jesus Christ, I am sincerely praying for your Conversio.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Purelogic:

The origination of the term, drinking the Kool Aid, comes from the mass suicide of the followers of Rev. Jim Jones in Jonestown, Guyana. 909 of the inhabitants of this religious enclave died, including 276 children, by drinking Kool Aid that had been spiked by cyanide (some say the drink was actually Flavor Aid, a brand similar to Kool Aid).

Rev. Jim Jones, originally from San Francisco, CA, preached all types of conspiracy theories and apocalyptic, end-of-the-world prophesies. When a U.S. Congressman and 4 of his staff travelled to Jonestown on a fact finding mission, they were gunned down by Jones' armed guards. Jones, knowing this crime would be brought to justice, told his followers if they did not commit suicide they would be captured by the CIA, tortured, the elderly would be shot and killed and the babies would be brainwashed and reared to be dummies. Most of the followers accepted Jones' statements as true and voluntarily drank the deadly Kool Aid. Jones then killed himself with a gunshot to his head.

"Drinking the Kool Aid" has become an idiom for mindlessly following a leader's orders. It usually refers to right wing groups and neo-fascist groups of people who slavishly follow a "true leader." Rgodwin has apparently heard the term and is using it against liberal minded people, which is quite ironic since liberals by nature are much too questioning and disputatious to be herded like sheep.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock:

Your "religion" is to Christianity what Osama bin Ladin's religion is to Islam: a perversity of faith. Don't look for my conversion anytime soon. Jesus Christ was not a hateful, judgmental bigot. I don't know who you are following, but it certainly isn't Jesus.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah! I remember Jim Jones, but I had forgotten what kind of drink they had to poision themselves.

These kinds of sayings have much more meaning when you can tie them back to the origins.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: You said "liberals by nature are much too questioning and disputatious to be herded like sheep."

I can answer that with one word. "ACORN"

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry I step on your toes. Do you not know about this subject? Look deeper, my friend. The information is all there. For you could be their poster child.
Perhaps you have never had things described to you in this manner and it pricks abit.
But everything looks alot better from the ground. Put your horse up for a bit, and check it out.
You are always in my prayers.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Part 1

Modern History Sourcebook:
Ronald Reagan:
A Time for Choosing Speech, 1964
________________________________________
I am going to talk of controversial things. I make no apology for this.
It's time we asked ourselves if we still know the freedoms intended for us by the Founding Fathers. James Madison said, "We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self government."
This idea? that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.
You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits."
The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing.
Public servants say, always with the best of intentions, "What greater service we could render if only we had a little more money and a little more power." But the truth is that outside of its legitimate function, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector.
Yet any time you and I question the schemes of the do-gooders, we're denounced as being opposed to their humanitarian goals. It seems impossible to legitimately debate their solutions with the assumption that all of us share the desire to help the less fortunate. They tell us we're always "against," never "for" anything.
We are for a provision that destitution should not follow unemployment by reason of old age, and to that end we have accepted Social Security as a step toward meeting the problem. However, we are against those entrusted with this program when they practice deception regarding its fiscal shortcomings, when they charge that any criticism of the program means that we want to end payments....

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Part 2 of Ronald Reagan 1964 Speech:

We are for aiding our allies by sharing our material blessings with nations which share our fundamental beliefs, but we are against doling out money government to government, creating bureaucracy, if not socialism, all over the world. We need true tax reform that will at least make a start toward I restoring for our children the American Dream that wealth is denied to no one, that each individual has the right to fly as high as his strength and ability will take him.... But we can not have such reform while our tax policy is engineered by people who view the tax as a means of achieving changes in our social structure.... Have we the courage and the will to face up to the immorality and discrimination of the progressive tax, and demand a return to traditional proportionate taxation? . . . Today in our country the tax collector's share is 37 cents of every dollar earned. Freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp. Are you willing to spend time studying the issues, making yourself aware, and then conveying that information to family and friends? Will you resist the temptation to get a government handout for your community? Realize that the doctor's fight against socialized medicine is your fight. We can't socialize the doctors without socializing the patients. Recognize that government invasion of public power is eventually an assault upon your own business. If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last. If all of this seems like a great deal of trouble, think what's at stake. We are faced with the most evil enemy mankind has known in his long climb from the swamp to the stars.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Part 3, Ronald Reagan 1964 Speech:

There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States. Those who ask us to trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state are architects of a policy of accommodation. They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right. Winston Churchill said that "the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits-not animals." And he said, "There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."
You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children's children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.

Ronald Reagan made the above speech in 1964. Isn't it amazing, how similar the times were to the circumstances we find our selves in today!

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin:

Reagan was indeed great at giving speeches. This one in 1964 was given as a result of him being hired by the health industry in their efforts to defeat the enactment of Medicare. Do you realize the economic deprivation that many elderly faced in this country before social security and Medicare? Although the conservative Republicans in 1964 fought against Medicare, there is not a one of them today who will stand up and say repeal it.

Sixteen years after this speech, Ronald Reagan had his chance at bat. During Reagan's Presidency, the federal deficit averaged over $175 billion annually (total for his 8 years in office: $ 1.4 Trillion), our nation's debt tripled, and the net cost of servicing this debt rose to almost 1/6 of our national budget outlays. So much for "fiscal and economic stability within the United States."

As for "the courage to do what is morally right," selling arms to Iran to launder money so that it could be given to the Nicaraguan Contras (in express violation of U.S. law), doesn't sound very moral to me. Especially when those arms were used to slaughter innocent women and children in villages in Nicaragua.

But, I guess Reagan did do some things well as President. He had a sunny disposition.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: Ronald Reagan was the best president we've had in my lifetime and yours, even if You're 150 years old. You seem to forget that Reagan followed the first Obama "Jimmy Carter" and the mess he created. Most honest democrats will even admit this. You are correct in that congressmen will not repeal or even modify social security, but the republicans won't because they, like democrats, just look out for their career in politics, not because it's not the sensible thing to do. The democrats have a double reason for not doing it. They too are looking out for their career, plus keeping people dependent on government, is almost a guaranteed democrat vote. Democrats can't win in the arena of ideas, so they just keep as many people dependent on government as possible.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin: Are you now an advocate for the elimation of medicare? You can't be serious? I'm amazed, but definitely not in a good way.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: no I'm not saying that, but something needs done to educate people, that they need to save for retirement from the first day they enter the workforce. Government needs to start weaning future generations off of social security, so that they will save for their futures and they will have a much better quality of life than social security now provides. I know there are some government programs, that our elderly depend on and we can't just stop them, but I have a big problem with government trying to shove things we don't want, down our throats. Bush tried to help change the future of social security, but congress didn't have the guts to do anything. Something is going to have to be done no matter how bad it hurts, because there is no way it can survive the way it is. People are living longer and there a way too many people receiving benefits with fewer people paying more in.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 6, 2009 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, but I couldn't resist posting this!

LOOKING FOR WORK

An Israeli doctor says 'Medicine in my country is so advanced that
we can take a kidney out of one man, put it in another, and have
him looking for work in six weeks.'

A German doctor says 'That is nothing; we can take a lung out of
one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in four weeks.'

A Russian doctor says 'In my country, medicine is so advanced
that we can take half a heart out of one person, put it in another,
and have them both looking for work in two weeks.'

An ILLINOIS doctor, not to be outdone, says 'You guys are way
behind, we recently took a man with no brains out of ILLINOIS ,
put him in the White House for THREE MONTHS, and now half
the WORLD is looking for work.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 7, 2009 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Following up on Bookworm's earlier post about "astro turfing," the practice by lobbying firms and large corporate interests in creating phony grass roots protests, the following video of a segment of Rick Sanchez's CNN program shows who is primarily funding the misinformed protests of the proposed health reform plan - Rick Scott, formerly CEO of Columbia/HCA, the nation's largest for-profit hospital chain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTiPIboEp....

Under Mr. Scott's leadership, Columbia/HCA defrauded the Medicare Program (and the American taxpayer) out of billions of dollars over a 10 year period. He has no problem telling the Big Lie, and it is sad that people like rgodwin are gullible enough to believe these lies.

As for Bush's proposed reform of Social Security, had it been adopted the elderly in this country would be experiencing an economic catastrophe. Bush's plan was to allow wage earners to invest a portion of their SS payments in the stock market, a move that was being pushed by Wall Street firms that stood to benefit from the brokerage fees. Had this proposal gone into effect, the stock market crash of 2008 would have shredded the social security safety net that projects the elderly. Granted, the SS system needs reforming, but not in a way where the beneficiaries of the system are exposed to unacceptable risks and fees. The system as it was devised and now stands is basically an intergenerational promise. The money taken out from an individual's paycheck for SS is not for his SS payment, but for the generation above him. Because of the Baby Boom after WWII, which is approaching 65 years of age, the current workforce will be strained to support such large numbers of retirees. Surpluses that had been accumulating in the Social Security fund that might have covered some of the retirement expenses of the Baby Boomers were raided during the Bush administration to pay for things like the War in Iraq. The last thing you want, rgodwin, is for the Republicans to have their hand on Social Security. They will figure a way to funnel the money to their Wall Street pals rather than to the senior citizens of our country.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 7, 2009 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: Do you watch Rachel Maddow? She did a very informative show last night that touched on Rick Scott. She also had Tim Phillips on the program, who is the national president of American's for Prosperity. I agree with you, it is very sad that people are being deluded. Yesterday I sent an e-mail to a friend of mine that I titled, Red State Blues. This is an excerpt from that email: I post sometimes to the online comments section of our local paper, ***** (my husband) questions why I bother, he considers my efforts fruitless. I guess I hope to somehow influence for the better even just a few peoples viewpoints. I don't think I am having very much success, HA HA, that would be the understatement of the year!!! I think some of the people however who post are reflective of the general mindset of people in our area and I find that really disheartening. What can be done to educate people about issues? I wish I knew because if the very people whom healthcare reform would help the most are against it what in the world is there to be done? The link to the comment thread that I am referring to is here: http://www.andalusiastarnews.com/news/20.... Some of the people who post are just Wackos for lack of a better word, the ones whom I find the most disturbing are the ones who seem to be reasonably intelligent people but who persist in such off the wall ideas. If Seventy-One percent of Americans realize the need for health care reform according to the latest polls, certainly the people here in south Alabama are not representative of the rest of the nation. :-) I guess I have the Red State Blues today, :-).

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 7, 2009 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What a GREAT article! http://www.truthout.org/080709A?n

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 7, 2009 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Subject: POLL

Here is one with NO bias!!!!

Cast your vote at the hyperlink below and pass it on!!!

A one question poll.

DO NOT MISS YOUR CHANCE TO CAST YOUR VOTE:

This is your chance to vote on Obama's performance on this

Economy-AT&T/Yahoo Poll.... NOTE: this is a totally unbiased

poll. The question is stated very simply... and, to the
point.

No tricks. No hidden messages. No nothing. JUST A SINGLE,

SIMPLE QUESTION. There is no way that anyone can say that

it was not a fair poll... or, that it was "phrased" in a way
that

it can be interpreted later... to fit someone else's desired

answer. In other words... it is a spin-doctor's "nightmare."

<http://js.polls.yahoo.com/quiz/quizifram...

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 7, 2009 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bookworm: I'm watching Rachel Maddow now as I type. She rocks. A man by the name of Frank Shaeffer is on her show tonight. I wish that every right wing nut could experience Shaeffer's revelations. I also never miss Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert on the Comedy Channel.

These brown shirts that are disrupting town hall meetings are getting scary. It is frightening that so many Americans are ignorant enough to believe vitriolic lies.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 7, 2009 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's funny, I just read his book, Crazy for God. It was so so, not the best book but not the worst either. We always watch the Colbert Report and Jon Stewart too. Satirical comedy rocks!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 1:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There has been something vaguely familiar each time I read posts on this site from the two self proclaimed mega liberals. Tonight, it finally came to me! The play, "Waiting for Godot". We have, in our midst, parallels of the main characters; the ever misanthropic Estragon and Vladimir! You feed off each other so well! Bravo...! I have a few counterpoints to the myriad of liberal posts.
1. Conservatives have Freedom Works, liberals have MoveOn. Is there a problem with balance? MoveOn's Boyd and Blade are just typical products of the left coast and Berkeley! Ho-Hum!
2. Question asked, "who contributes to Freedom Works". Question answered; The most important person I know who contributes to FW is me! Do you know who contributes to MoveOn? Any corporate giants?
3. "Right Wing, fringe, spewing hate aimed at educated people"? Oh please!! I know people with a Doctorate degree attached to their name who are as dumb as a bucket of rocks! Likewise, I know people who did not graduate high school and have far more COMMON SENSE than a few of the PhD holders with whom I am aquainted.
4. It takes a total snob and racist to call Covington County residents; "impoverished, low income, low to low middle class, Right Wing extremist white people." A good lesson for you to learn is that the worth of a man is NOT determined by the number of dollars he has in the bank, but by the number of people who speak well of him! I will put my education and financial status up against yours any day of the week. You ooze with blatant snobbery. How unattractive!
6. Astro turfing! That is David Axlerod's word du jour! That is exactly what the DNC did in last year's election. They biased the primaries, wanting to give a false reading to McCain's popularity. Well guys, it worked! Just remember, the door swings both ways!!
7. Mobs at town hall meetings! Now that makes me laugh! What about the Black Panthers behavior at the voting stations last November? Umm, you don't bring that up do you? But these "mobs" are the democratic voters ripping their representatives to shreds..And I love it!!!!! Again the DNC is putting out the word on how to circumvent any voter flack at these meetings! Citizens against Obama's policies are growing in numbers by the hour!
8. Those misguided, asinine Kool Aid remarks are pathetic! Insinuating that the term belongs to Right Wing, Neo Fascists is laughable! You really are frightened of the power of the people! Drooling Obamanites are a much better example of the Kool Aid experience!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 1:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

continuation:
9. Obama "tackle the health care problem"? Really? The problem with that is; Obama came to play in the Big League but brought a whiffle bat. He is clueless.
10. Glad you think President Reagan had a "sunny disposition" but I find it sad you can only recall Iran-Contra! I don't excuse anyone going outside the law. However, in the gov't, many times it is easier to get forgiveness rather than permission! The initial intent was to curb the drug cartels!You want to talk scandal? How about Darfur, Rowanda, Clinton/Lewinsky, just to name a few! One of the proudest days of my life was when President Reagan sent fighter jets to force down a commerical airliner and retrieve a terrorist! Now THAT rocks! President Reagan also put the ka-bash on Quaddafi in Libya. He piped down after Reagan lit up his tent, then 25 years or so later, he comes out of obscurity to sign a treaty with the US!! Oh yes, what about the Berlin Wall? $176 billion annual deficit under Pres. Reagan.... boy weren't those the good old days?? Obama has created over $1 TRILLION deficit in 7 MONTHS!!
11. Dare not have Republican hands on Social Security you say? Whoa there, what about those democratic hands on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Hello Pot..meet Kettle!

I could go on, but it has no value to me. However, I will continue to be a conservative American, love my country, stand up and be counted. I will continue to help those in need. For those maligned on this blog by Estragon and company, take heart! You are witnessing the phenomenon of radical left wing antics at its best! This too shall pass!

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 6:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican:

I see your post is dated 1:12 AM. Are you on meth?

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 7:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: Thank you and welcome back. I've really missed your post the last few day. The insane venom has gotten so bad, but yet funny, from the THE worm and Estragon the last few days. I've just tried to let them self destruct. These people are in a huge minority in Covington county and they know it. Let me tell you what a superb job you did, of putting them in their place. They can not respond to your post, nor will they with any common sense. They may come back and throw dirt about something else, but that's what spoiled children do. I'm a long way from being the person I want to be, but the one thing I will always be and be proud of, is that I am a true conservative. I am right wing, but not a right wing nut. Worm and Estragon are what they are!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 7:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: No, I am not on meth, but thank you for caring enough to ask. After returning from much needed R&R on our favorite island, I had a difficult time sleeping! Guess I miss the peaceful sound of the waves! What better way to get bored into sleep than to read the postings of a self righteous, mean spirited, angry at life/humankind liberal, who gets their strokes from belittling good, decent salt of the earth people?

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Glad to be back and thank you for your post. Simply because these left wing, out of touch liberals do not "get" what conservatives are about, there is no excuse for such hate-filled language as was written on this blog! Perhaps they are self loathing and must project that hate somewhere, so they choose unidentifiable people, like you and me, and they feel safe doing so. The one thing missing from every radical liberal I know, is a basic foundation of spirituality. God has always been there for me without fail. I suppose I too would be hate filled if I were floundering in the world with no true source of strength! Back to the original topic, "who are the real racists?" Would anyone care to research the Civil Rights Act 1964? The Democrats stalled the bill. Howard Smith, democrat from Virginia declared he would bottleneck the bill. Again, I state empathically, liberal democrats are the true racists!

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: Your post was at 6:39AM in the morning. What drup are you on? :) I for one was still sleeping like a baby.

Loyal American: Commenting on number 3, it's sad most PhD programs have "common sense" as not a required prerequisite.

Common sense is such a slippery term, it's really difficult to define. Until I was nearly out of high school I thought that common sense was only a thing of myth and not really something that had true meaning. It wasn't until I met some individuals in my life that I thought were severely lacking in it, that I truly believed that it existed.

I'd like to think of myself as being blessed with a mixture of a little common sense and as well as a little educational knowledge. Not a great amount of either, but a little of both. Still after all these years, I've never seen a definition of "common sense" that I truly appreciated.

I'd like to hear from both sides what they define common sense as being.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: For me an example of common sense would be; suppose you are planning a march on a hot summer day. Oops, someone forget about hydration and the Red Cross has to use resources to water the herd of marchers. Common sense would have dictated knowing you'll need water and taking a wagon load along. This is a true scenario from a year or so ago. Common sense is knowing to keep your hand out of fire or it will burn. A personal example of common sense or lack thereof is my relative, who is highly educated with dual PHd's. She had a newborn, went to the air terminal to catch an hour flight to Dallas.... without a diaper bag (because the baby would be sleeping and she did not want to deal with additional hand gear) and oh horror of horrors the flight was delayed! Baby wakes up, cries for a feeding, promptly relieves himself and you guessed it...no diapers. Common sense would have caused her to bring a diaper bag! I guess by using the word common, we expect the general public to know these uncomplicated things! I did not state that common sense is a prerequisite to any PHd program. My point is that some people are so focused on book knowledge, they overlook everyday, mundane knowledge that makes their life simple! Another common sense approach to life that was instilled in me by my father was; Don't get so busy making a living, that you forget to make a life. That has proven to be some of the best common sense I posses.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Purelogic, to respond to your question, I am an early riser. I have found you can get more done between 7 - 9 AM, when there are no distractions, than the rest of the entire day.

Some people get up early for other reasons. I once heard a man in Covington County say that he was a "go getter." He went on to explain: "I get up early in the morning and take my wife to work, then in the afternoon I go get her." He was sort of half joking.

For the record, I do not look down at people who are not as educated or well off as I am. I have a deep fondness for the people in south Alabama and a great appreciation for their common sense and knowledge about practical things. I do get frustrated though with religious certitude and racial bigotry, which are the twin pillars of the neo-conservative movement. I am of the age to remember segregation, George C. Wallace whipping crowds of white people into a frenzy in the Courthouse Square, and I can even remember when a cross was burned by the KKK in our county. I know racial sentiments are hard to change, and I realize how difficult it must be for many of the people who innately have these sentiments to accept the fact that we have a Black President and that soon Hispanics, Blacks, and Asians will constitute a majority of our nation's population. The problem is not just local, however. The teabaggers, birthers, and town hall crazies here in the U.S. are very similar to what is happening in the U.K. with the rise of the BNP, and in Germany with the rise of neo-fascism and skinhead groups. In these countries, the movement is drawing its support primarily from young, disaffected members of society, primarily from the native, white working class. The only difference here in the U.S. is the crowd is more late to middle-aged than young, but all of these movements have in common a cult-like appeal that seems to give meaning to the lives of its members. Trying to understand and explaining the phenomenon does not mean that you are looking down on people, although many of them might see it that way as they as drawn together by collective feelings of inferiority, paranoia, and isolation from the main stream. This is not just my observation, but the conclusion of social scientists who have studied these new right wing movements.

E.P. Thompson, who wrote "The Making of the English Working Class," said that he did so to save the lost workers of the Industrial Revolution from "the enormous condescension of posterity." I suppose all progressives, reformers, and liberals have in them some of Thompson's romanticism, but altruism toward others does not mean that one is engaged in class snobbery.

Merriam-Webster defines "common sense" as "sound and prudent judgment based on simple perception of the situation or facts." I define it as not putting your hand on a hot stove.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Merriam-Webster: Bigot- hypocrite; a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. Previous post by Estragon: "if you weren't so stupid, your post would be humorous. Instead, they are sad and pathetic." Is this quote (opinion) hypocritical, intolerant, and prejudicial? You bet! Looks as though a bigot has been identified!
Merriam-Webster: Racist- a person whose belief that race is the primary determinate of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. Previous post by Estragon:"I would venture to guess that every one of the right wing extremists posting on this blog have either incomes that are well below the national average (a good guess since Covington County is practically impoverished), or a belief system that was forged in the culture of a underprivileged white society (the same class from which the KKK draws its members)." Is that opinion steeped in racism? Absolutely! The reference to "white society" was a dead give away! Now here comes another post laced with additional slants toward bigotry! The most absurd remark made by Estragon is; "Innate sentiments to accept the fact we have a black president" WHAT?? Please tell me what child on this planet was born with these "sentiments"? Can you not get it into your grey matter that the skin color is not the issue!! Not one person in my circle has an issue with a Black being president of the US. The issue is experience (Obama's lack of) and agenda! What is so difficult about understanding that fact? I do not want my country to become a socialist nation and that is precisely what Obama wants to do with America. I have lived in countries with strong socialist leanings. I have been to communist countries before and after the Berlin wall came down. It was horrible to see the poverty and the countless 6 story block apartment buildings everyone had to live in because everyone had to be "equal". The only way one could escape being "equal" was to be a member of the fat cat do as I say not as I do society! No laughter, joy or contentment on any face anywhere! All this will come to a city near you if Obama is successful in turning this free nation upside down. Liberals constantly attempt to make everything a race issue. What you are doing is basically pimping for a socialist, bent on destroying America. By the way, don't give me that altruistic hogwash. Your words belie your true intent. You can't be a mean spirited name caller on one post then attempt to pass yourself off as a sacrificial lamb for mankind on another. What exactly have you done for God, mankind and your country on any given day in any year?

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'd have to say my peak hours of productivtiy are from noon to about 10-11 at night. I just don't have the energy in the morning until about 2-3 cups of coffee.

Recently having a child in diapers, we never went anywhere without a diaper bag. I think we would have left our shirts and shoes, but still held on to the diaper bag!

I'm not old enough to remember segregation as being a member of generation X. It seems as intermixed as we are today, there's still lines drawn in the sand. Inter racial couples will still get funny looks when they enter a public place. I don't look "down" on any other race, and I am a believer of equal opportunity and treatment. I still think I'd prefer my children to date within their own race, as my spouse is within my own race. Does that qualify one as a racist? I don't know, in my book I don't think so. If they did, I'm sure I'd eventually be alright with it, if the significant other was "good" for them.

Common sense to me is the ability to analyze things, whatever it might be, and not merely following the rules and regulations, but understanding situations past, present and future. Not necessarily an educated skill, at least in the classical "classroom sense". Thanks for sharing your take on it!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: Wanting a child to marry within his/her own race is understandable. Race, culture, religion, even region where you live, are huge factors to be considered before marrying. I do not believe that has a racial slant at all.
I chuckle at your diaper bag comment. Yes, forget the American Express, but don't leave home without a diaper bag! As seasoned parents, and able to recognize the lessons learned, it is amazing how much those little guys teach us!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: Please let me applaud you and applaud you loudly for you post at 1:17pm this afternoon. Estragon, could not have known what hit him and it was all fact, from his own words that can't be denied. I think I have about as much common sense as anyone, but, what I wouldn't give for your intellect. I don't have a clue who you are, but you have to be one of the smartest people I know of, if not the smartest. Your IQ would make Estragons and iamabookworms IQ combined, look like that round number that's shaped, like a doughnut. Liberals never have and never will be able to win in the arena of ideas, when people are truly searching for the truth. It doesn't take a scholar to know right from wrong. To me, conservatism and liberalism is just that simple. Conservatism is right and liberalism is wrong. You are living proof that conservatives are smarter!

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IQ's? Mine's 149. Any idea what yours is, rgodwin? How about LoyalAmerican's, since you commented on it? Perhaps it is 150, the stage of intelligence where absolute truth and all the secrets of the universe (including what is right and wrong under every possible scenario) is revealed. I'm afraid I don't quite reach those omnipotent powers. And, for that, I am thankful.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: if your IQ was measure by your arrogance, it would be much higher than 150. I don't have much education, but I wouldn't trade mine for yours any day of the week, because an education that left the liberal mess that you've turned out to be, couldn't have been worth the price of a bucket of manure.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: Often times I tend to relate things in every day life to something that I have read. The previous posts make me think of George Orwell's novel 1984. (one of my favorite books) Specifically I'm thinking of Doublethink, which engages the mind into holding two contradictory ideas in the mind at once. It occupies the mind so as not to allow independent thought. Through total psychological manipulation, the Party is able to make individuals believe anything that it desires. Such as 2+2 = 5.
Therefore, when the Party tells you to believe that 2+2=5 they are in fact shaping reality and have total control of existence. It would be funny if it didn't seem so very real.............

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LA: Island vacation? Were you in Hawaii trying to locate that ever elusive birth certificate? Any luck?
Due to the wisdom displayed here by RG & LA, I have decided you are all absolutely correct in your assessment of the state of affairs in America. Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxmen, Charles Rangle, Barny Frank and President Obama ARE resident evil and the devil incarnate! They took us to war based on dead wrong intelligence.  They raided the surplus.  They created debt as far as the eye can see.  Over 4,000 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq because of them.  They appointed Heck of a job Brownie to head FEMA, whose incompetence led to suffering and dying after Katrina.  They outsourced jobs overseas and left our boarder unprotected.  They spied on the American people without a warrant.  They outed an under cover CIA agent.  They are just plain evil I tell you.  The nerve of them wanting to provide evil health care to the uninsured.  It's just evil to want Americans to have jobs so they can provide for their families.  And how evil is it to want children to have access to a quality education?  They are the root of all evil and they must be stopped before they pull the country out of the ditch!
Thank goodness we have elected officials like Bobby Bright, and the rest of the Blue DOGS to fight them at every turn!  They'll see to it we don't have no stinking access to health care, and who needs a stupid job anyway?  Children don't need to learn how to read, write and do arithmetic to be successful, ask Bush.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: let me just give you a hint about Katrina, New Orleans and Mississippi. Mississippi was hit a lot harder than than New Orleans. The difference was that the hard working people in Mississippi got out and went to work and the government dependent liberals in New Orleans waited for someone else to take care of them, just like liberals do. Louisiana had been given money, I believe on more than one occasion to strengthen the levees of New Orleans and it was always used elsewhere. The reason New Orleans had such a hard time is because it has been run by democrats for years. Everything is Bush's fault, and the trillions Obomer will saddle our children and their children for generations to come is his too I suppose. Anywhere liberal democrats govern, the economy goes in the toilet, most of the time, sooner or later. If honest democrats knew what liberals truly stood for, there wouldn't be enough of you left, to have anything other, than a gay parade permit.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: I sincerely want to apologize for thinking that you might possibly be a lunatic. I don't know what I was thinking. You last post has removed all doubt. I think you removed the doubt of all others also. The next time, I'll just go with my first impression.

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW!! LoyalAmerican, you go girl!! When is the march.?

If those of you who like Obamas health plan, take a trip to Europe and stay until you need a Dr. Remember... healthcare is free there. You really need to experience it first hand. That is.... if you can afford it.

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin, you can sure tell by the posts in here the people who like to ,"Share The Wealth". These people dont work they are educated just enough to avoid it. Keep up the good posts, my friend.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Winkie: What do you suppose that was I was doing for 6 days this week, while you people were on the internet all day long???? HMMMMMMMMMMMM, let's see I guess that was me NOT working. Rgodwin: YOU are a shining example of a fine Christian man, I wonder if you would have such an easy time insulting me in person? You've prayed that I don't teach school, called me a lunatic, accused me of ignorant stupidity because I had the temerity to disagree with you, you called me insane, a blind socialist liberal, a worm and insinuated that I have an IQ of zero. Go back and read my posts, WHAT have I said to you that was PERSONALLY insulting??????? I spoke in broad generalities true, BUT I didn't call YOU names. My Grandmama always said "Treat others as you would like to be treated because what goes around comes around."

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Part 1: President vs The Economy

I keep hearing President's being blamed for one thing or another, and a lot of both democratic and republican presidents taking the brunt of the blame for the current economy.

I'd like to say I think the president truly has a limited effect on the economy. The picture that comes to my mind is a runaway wagon that is going down a steep slope. About all the president can do is try to shove at it from the side to make it veer one way or the other.

When I look back at the great depression, the cause to me was the automotive and industrial "bubble" that created a surplus in goods. For the first time in the world's history, we could make more than we actually needed. This economic bubble popped when the stock market crashed. The government stepped in to help, because the situation was dire. Not too much different than today's times. The current bailout, is not only Obama's doing, but Bush's doing as his was the first approval before he left office. Both of these guys had to go through Senate and the House with lefts and rights, and all the bickering because of it. Sure some congressmen opposed it each time, but I wonder did they oppose it because they thought it was bad for the country or because it was unpopular.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estro: I appreciate you sharing your personal data. However, I was brought up to maintain a certain amount of humility and not "show off", so to speak. As we all know, IQ numbers are derived from different scales that have wide variances. One thing I will gladly discuss though, is the intelligence of my children and grandchildren. For some reason I find being a bragging grandmother totally acceptable! You can draw your own conclusions, with the understanding that the "apple does not fall far from the tree." My daughter has an IQ over 165. Her eldest son has an IQ much higher than hers. The first book he read at age 3 was the biography of Robert E. Lee! He is 15 and at university, majoring in the field of aerophysics. His younger brother has an IQ somewhat lower than his mothers between 150 and 160, depending on which scale is used to measure. The youngest son has above average intelligence but has not been tested because of his age. I am immensely proud of them. You say that someone with an IQ of 150 is at a "stage of intelligence where absolute truth and all the secrets of the universe (including what is right and wrong under every possible scenario) is revealed." Where did you gather that load of erroneous info? I truly thank you for putting me in the realm with Stephen Hawking, a man I admire, immensely! But I do not hold the key to the universe! Those Omnipotent powers belong to God! No, I am just a good ol' Southerner who loves God and America, with all my heart. I was taught to be humble yet stand my ground, be respectful and help others when the need arises and above all, remain true to my core values. I was taught that the only thing I owned of any value is my reputation! Again, I ask, what have you done on any given day in any year for God, your fellow man and America?

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Part 2 : President vs Economy

Was it a wise thing to do with all the bailouts? Who knows, but probably the only worse thing that could have been done was absolutely nothing. I believe the major cause of today's economic downturn, was the economic upturn in the 90's with dot com bubble and real estate bubble. Add on top of that all the baby boomers snatching their retirement investments out to stable value, coupled with the fact of the "panic" people sometimes get in and you have a recession. What goes up must come down. The economy is a beast all on it's on, and I truly believe the president is merely hanging on for dear life, and not affecting the economy much whatsoever.

Take a look at the dow jones average on yahoo over the years. There was unprecedented growth from about 1985 until 2001. I was always lead to believe if it's too good to be true, it probably is. This is why the economy is down. The bubble popped.

The first thing companies start doing when there is an economic downturn in their own EBITDA, is to start laying off people. These out of work folks, spend less money because they have less money to spend. Less goods are purchased. Suddenly even liberal spenders are fiscally conservative! With the purchase of even less goods, the companies sell even less product, and the cycle repeats.

This economic downturn is not only in the US. We are right smack dab in the middle of it along with just about every other country in the world.

Is it the president's fault if the economy tanks? Not really. he's 1/3 of the branch of government. A strong economy works with the buying and selling of goods. As tight as everyone I know is right now with there money, there's not much the president can do about it. Probably the worst thing he can do in my book is absolutely nothing.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 8, 2009 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bookworm: Now do you think that I would spend one second looking for Obama info if I were in Hawaii? Come on......!! I "got" your tongue in cheek post. My heart did flutter a bit! Hope does springs eternal! You brought up the war in Iraq and the 4000 military members we have lost. First I want to point out that every soldier is there voluntarily. This is the career field they have chosen. They are willing to die on whatever soil they are sent to, for a greater cause than themselves. I have read your comments on this subject a couple of times and I just want to chat woman to woman. For me it does not matter if we/they, whomever, received bad intel. What does matter to me is the fact that children are able to have a better life. The oppression and brutality in Iraq was beyond comprehension! In Afghanistan, girls are now able to go to school. Can you imagine, with your love of books, that you would be whipped, or worse, if you were caught with a book? Can you imagine living under rules that kept you out of school simply because you are a girl? My sons fought for these children and oppressed women because they knew it was the right thing to do. Neither gave a hoot about the intel. America was/is the voice for these children. One son flew over Baghdad recently, in a Blackhawk, and saw the tremendous changes. Children outside playing, having a normal life, dogs chasing balls, girls jumping rope and carrying school books. It was a defining and proud moment for my son. He knows he made a difference in the world. He will leave it a better place. Just me sharing a different perspective.

Katrina is another story. The total responsibility for the fiasco in New Orleans rests on the shoulders of mayor Ray Nagin and governor Kathleen Blanco. Both were/are incompetent. I can tell you one thing, if I see the waters rising, I will not wait for anyone to rescue me. Common sense dictates retreat! The US government has been training many Americans to not think for themselves. It is the entitlement syndrome, the "you BETTER do it for me" mentality! Could it be an example of the psychological manipulation you touched on? Whatever it is, it is irksome!

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LA: Among other things you don't understand, you don't understand satire or irony (try Googling that like you did "Estragon," I even found the page on Wikipendia where you got the word "misanthropic"). My IQ post was not to be taken literally. In responding to rgodwin's discussion of how your IQ was greater than Bookworm's and mine combined, I was pointing out in a satirical, but not literal, way the IQ score that would allow a person to see all the "truths" that you seem to have found. I know it is difficult for someone who thinks the Bible is literally true to see subtext in language, but you totally missed the point. Try watching the Colbert Report on the Comedy Channel. Stephen Colbert is a master at ironic humor.

You are completely self-obsessed and self-congratulatory. Oh, you are just a loyal American, a southerner who loves God, has core Christian values, and helps his fellow man. I prefer to let other people decide if my works are helping my fellow man, rather than toot my own horn. And, as for what I have done for God, well that is a personal matter. And as you know from Googling "Estragon," he waited and waited for Godot to show up, but Godot never did. In the end, it is the waiting that gives meaning to life, as God has never shown up in person or spoken to anyone. Certainly not you.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Estro: This is hopefully my last post to you. You bore me with your over abundance of anger. Your quote, "IQ's? Mine's 149. Any idea what yours is, rgodwin? How about LoyalAmerican's, since you commented on it?" There is not one ounce of satire in that post! Your statement was perceived as fact, just as you intended! It is not lost to me that your postings ARE routinely filled with elements of satire, you know; sarcasm- ridicule - scorn. And yes I know they all mean the same thing. But that was not the case with the IQ remark! If you don't want to hear my answer in response to your question, then don't ask the question! I think my response to the IQ question got your goat far more than anything else that has been said in any exchange on this site. Also, if Wikipedia is your only source for gathering info, then I understand you better. So you had to look up a word on Wikipedia, YOUR source of information, and you found a description of yourself...your point is?? Don't be angry at me if you have not been a spectator at various plays, traveled, learned big words on your own, lived life out of the box or had basic great lifelong friendships. I am thankful that you have Wikipedia as a form of escape and enlightenment! Do you live vicariously through your "acquaintances" and their friends are your friends? I ask this because of your reference; "I am acquainted with a number of people who personally know President Obama." The only thing I can say about that is; perhaps your acquaintances may want to hone better "friend picking" skills! Your words, "You are completely self-obsessed and self-congratulatory" is laughable, and I do understand jealousy! Your comment does remind me, once again, why I prefer to bypass personal info. However, when someone lays down the gauntlet and accuses me of not caring about others because I am a conservative, I will set them straight and stand my ground! You won't answer my questions because you can't! You are like an onion with many layers, you are afraid to peel back the layers for fear of finding nothing at the core. You will never get your view across on anything you have written. Your credibility has long been gone. Your own words proved you to be a fraud.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've found sarcasm is harder to interpret when it's read, rather than when it's heard. I think this is the sarcastic part Estragon was referring. "Perhaps it is 150, the stage of intelligence where absolute truth and all the secrets of the universe (including what is right and wrong under every possible scenario) is revealed." Intelligence I believe is indeed seperate from philiosophical ideas. See my previous posts on "core beliefs".

A word on IQ tests. Several things are not captured on IQ tests such the ability to work with one's hands, atheltic ability, music ability, etc. There's also the phenomenon of emotional intelligence, which is not measured on IQ tests as well. It sounds as if you guys are certainly out of my league, for I've ranged anywhere from 101 to 147 on the tests I've took. I've found the more the test pulls from mathematical and spatial reasoning, the better I perform. The more "wordy" type stuff that is on it, the worse I do. 165 is certainly impressive in my book! I do believe apples don't fall far from the tree, as seeing myself a great deal in my son.

Estragon, because God has never spoken to you, you can not immediately jump to conclusions and say God has never spoken to anyone. I don't think he's ever spoken directly to me either, but I don't rule out the possibility of him speaking to anyone else.

I word on wikipedia. I think it's the best thing since sliced bread! A free on-line encyclopedia in which you can look up just about anything. I haven't traveled much, and it's by my own desires. I don't care to ever travel to any extent. I find more than I have time for mainly around the homestead. Whatever the topic you want to know about, Wiki will have some information on it. Most often I've found the information to be correct as well.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm : Let me assure you that I would have no problem insulting you in person, if you were spewing your liberal garbage. Anyone with half a brain, can read your post, and tell that you are a few bricks shy of a full load. I am going to try my best, to play like you and Estragon are not even here. There are so few of you in Alabama, that you don't matter anyway, so I'm just going to try to play like you don't exist. It will be hard, because the garbage you write is hard to ignore, but I think most people are smart enough to overlook your garbage when they see it. It gives you credibility that you don't deserve, when we respond to liberal spin and lower ourselves to the pedestal you've put yourselves on.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican and purelogic: Thank you for some very good post this morning. LoyalAmerican you know how much I admire your intellect and the way you have with words. Your last post to Estragon, was a thing of beauty. Mine and purelogic's backgrounds seem very similar, but the good thing that makes us all three, very much alike, is the fact that we are all conservatives. I believe most conservatives are rooted in a belief in God. I don't truly believe, that there is anyone who doesn't believe in God, although many people live like there's not. You put a person who says he doesn't believe in God in a big enough bind and he'll call on God every time when there's no one else there to help.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic; You are so right about IQ numbers. It does not measure the core values within a person. The subject should never have come up on this blog! I fault myself for even responding to Estro on the subject! rgodwin is absolutely correct by saying we give credibility that is not deserved, when we respond to such baited remarks. I suppose I was primed and waiting for an opportunity to give a slap down after reading all the hateful remarks posted by the above mentioned lib. We need to right our course and return to the subject matter. Getting off on these side twisters takes our focus from the real issues of importance! At this juncture in history we can NOT be distracted for one split second! Distraction means disaster! Are you all following Holders plan to have hearings on the mistreatment of terrorists at Gitmo? This is serious business!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: other than the fact that I am female, we are very much alike! I admire your strength and restraint and wish I could have mustered enough strength that would have restrained me to NOT respond to Estro on the number thing! He simply did not deserve my time or info! My "itchy" fingers got the best of me! Thank you so much for your post to bkworm. Your words got me back on course!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: Thank you and I'm going to try to stay on course myself. They don't deserve my efforts, and most certainly, they do not deserve yours!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: answering Estro: "I think most people are smart enough to overlook your garbage when they see it."
Give me ten, on that rgodwin!

You can't get thru to mule heads that think they know it all! Thank goodness they are a big MINORITY in Alabama. My responses to Estro and Iam are not for them, but for the readers that are fence sitters or not informed enough to comment or take a stand.

This article and the blogs on Who are the Real Racist should be material used in high schools in and around the State as an educational tool for our youth! Seriously! They will be able to clearly see the difference in ideologies.

I have adopted New Hampshire's motto 'LIVE FREE OR DIE'.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A huge thank you, Loyal American, for your education on the various subjects introduced in this record setting postings.

Pure Logic, thanks for taking time to read Andrew Gavin Marshall's report on "Entering ...Depression", on www.globalresearch.ca

Good Sunday to you all, and Estro, I have you in my prayers daily.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RED ALERT! RED ALERT! a Conservative - Real Trucker is being attacked by the infamous Estragen on OPINION - Health care Beneficial, bey Teresa Tolbert from Red Level.

He needs assistance.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hi Shamrock,

I just read your link this evening. I have a little brighter outlook than is given there. I think we will be entering into a state of very slow and stable growth. Hopefully be back at the summer of 2008 levels within the next 5 years. Just my guess however. If I was a great Nostradamus, I'd be a lot richer than I am now!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pure: you have got to be kidding! Can I have some of whatever you are on? Just kidding.
Look, - stop yo-yo-ing and make a stand. If you have a Bible, open to Daniel - and 2 Thessolonians and the Book of Revelation. WE ARE LIVING IN THAT TIME.

Each person must choose who to give allegiance to. The god of this world, or the One True God. It all boils down to that in the end. But don't tarry too long in making your choice. Seriously, this is very serious business.

What Loyal American and Rgodwin are trying to do is to educate us, so that we can make the right choice. The rest is all bull.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: I for one wish you were correct, but I simply do not see how it is possible with all the money that has been printed with absolutely nothing of value to back it up. This country is in worse shape monetarily than it has ever been, thanks to the left wing liberal democrat congress and their Savior "the American hating Obama", who has proposed more spending than all 43 previous presidents combined. This is not a funny or small thing and they act like nothing has changed. The destruction of our country continues, every day that they are in office. I'm so afraid, that the the bottom people thought we saw was a small hint of what is to come. I'm not a pessimist, but the leadership we have in Washington, is nothing for anyone to be encouraged about. If we had true conservative leadership in Washington today, it would take a long time to get us out of the mess Obama and his blind, liberal, left wing congress have escalated to unknown proportions, in the last 7 months. George Bush wasn't perfect by a long shot, but this mess we're in now and will be for years to come, belongs to the Messiah! The freedom hating, American hating, socialist Obama!

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Excuse me bookworm? I dont believe I called anyone by name, but honey, if the shoe fits wear it. Hopefully everyone will listen to Hannity at 8pm tonight on Fox News.
rgodwin, I am going to watch other channels to see their reaction to Hannity as Obama is heading for a big drop.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I haven't been "yo-yo-ing". I have written only what I think. :)

Government has been basically following what is called Keynesian economics. The theory is when the private sector is unwilling to spend money in the economy in a recession, the government should step in and take up the "slack" in spending to prevent a further recession. Is this the right line of thinking? I don't know. But consider, what would happen tomorrow, if everyone did not spend a single dime for the next 6 months. How many businesses would completely shut down? That kind of conservative saving is definitely not what we need at the moment.

A strong economy means goods are being bought and sold, services are being administered, and the money is circulating. That is the true "value" behind money today, for it's not been backed by anything since 1933 when it was backed by gold. As long as the dollar remains competitive with other currencies such as the yen, euro and canadian dollar, I wouldn't worry too much about it's value. However, since minimum wage just got hiked up once again, we are bound to experience inflation of some sorts.

The nationaly debt however, is another story altogether. We've been accumulating that for much too long now. If history has proven anything, it's proven behind a strong country is a strong economy. This is my greatest concern for the US today.

One final thought, is if the US economy collapses, the government will follow. I don't think the reverse will be the one to happen. So, as painful as the bailouts were to swallow, I think it was better than to just stand and do nothing. Maybe there were better ways to save a sinking ship, but just watching it go down I believe was not the right thing to do.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 7:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: I must disagree with your timeline. I too, wish it where true but my gut tells me otherwise. My biggest fear is our debt being called in by the countries that literally own America now. We will be totally paralyzed as a nation. We are slowly being set up for a classic hostage situation! This entire country will be held hostage and there will be nothing we can do. The more money that is printed, the more the dollar becomes devalued. I fully expect food lines in our future. I have lived in places where food was scarce. If you have a child, it makes you feel desperate. We are being weakened for a reason. Our economy will do us in if we don't keep the power with the people! Obama appears to have a check list like I use a grocery list. I try to get out of the grocery store as quickly as possible. I do a check, check check on my list, and I am ready to go. Obama is doing something very similar. He is speeding through his list to get everything he wants done before his first year is up. He does not care HOW his list is fulfilled, just fulfill it. Then when he comes up for reelection......well, everyone knows what his mantra will be. It is shameful that anyone in the whitehouse would put this country in peril, just so they can say they "kept their word". Obama's "word" comes rolling off a forked tongue and we are in deep ca-ca! Sad thing is the liberals will be shouting hooray because the changes will not be implemented for several more years. By that time we will have a Republican back in the Whitehouse and the bad that Obama brought will be taking effect and the left loons will blame the Republicans and here we go again! We must stop this now! The American dream is fast becoming the American nightmare! Our children now, newborns to teens are going to suffer in ways we can not imagine! When they become the working class they will be burdened so heavily it pains me to tears now!

Posted by Anne (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes rgodwin, Yes! I've been following right along with the postings. You have no fear of giving false information. You are in the truth.

We are the ULTIMATE OPTIMISTS - because we believe that all matters are in God's Omnipotent Hands. That we, individually, have to decide whom we shall adore and call God - for there is a false god and a false ideology that is in the hands of Satan today. Serious, is a mild definition when one weighs eternity in the balance.

IQ. Intellect is God's gift - He chooses whom He wills to give superior intelligence. But, what a burden superior intelligence has upon the person receiving this gift. They are all the more responsible for this knowledge. Will it be used for self-grandisement or for the love, honor and glory of God, the Gift Giver?

This is where we find Loyal American. Every post I have read, is giving of herself - a sharing of the Truth that she has been gifted with. It is not for herself. It is for All. She is aware of the awesome responsibility that is required of her. For in the end, she must give an account of her actions and words - just as you and I will be held to account for our actions and words.

My Grandmother's words I repeat: "The more that you know, the more you will be accountable for." My grandmother was a very wise woman. And Loyal American is likewise.

The great St. Augustine was so blessed with superior intellect, but sqaundered his youth in seeking the false ideologies and pleasures the world offers. His mother prayed for her son without ceasing, and at last he came full circle into the Truth that he had all that time been searching for. Some of the greatest writings are from St. Augustine.

So have no fear of what LoyalAmerica and Rgodwin are sharing with us. They have the certainty of Truth.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: I know you are sincere in your belief, but Personally, I have ti disagree. I believe we are deeper in debt as a nation and worse off, because of the bail outs. Either of these companies could have filed chapter 11, restructured and come out and remained in business if the business was worth saving. If you or I get in trouble financially , the government will not be there to bail us out, nor should they be! The capitalist market is a lot like the animals in the wild, only the strongest and fittest survive and there is nothing wrong with that. Many of these companies have let unions destroy them. The automobile bailouts were paybacks to the unions. They had nothing to do with saving car companies. Ford is the only company that didn't take a bailout of the big 3, and the other 2 will always regret the day they got in bed with Obama. They took the bailout and still had to file for bankruptcy, so what did the bailout accomplish? With Obama and The liberal democrat congress, it is all about controlling every Americans life. If they are not stopped, it won't be long before they will have this accomplished. Every time we become dependent on the government for anything, we are giving up personal freedoms that our forefathers have fought, bled and died for. These people have to be taught a lesson and the only recourse we have to do it legally, is the ballot box.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 11:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: I do agree with you about unions. Companies should want to treat their employees well. They should want to do this were their experience will stay with them as a mutual benefit for the good of the company and the employee as well. Companies should not be told by the employees how well the employer will treat the employees. The employees work for the company and not the other way around! It's a simple chain of command.

I understand what you are saying about the survival of the fittest. The same thing happens with countries and companies. Yet, how many banks and companies would have to fold before we'd say, "wait a minute, that's too many, maybe we should do something.". Half of them out there? 75%? 90%?

If more folks could see the future, and know for certain how these things work, there'd be a lot more folks sharing Bill Gates' wealth right now. The truth is no one knows with absolute certainty what the correct course of action should be. If the "stimulus" works, when the economy rebounds, the existing taxes would increase revenue sufficiently that the stimulus money would get paid back rather quickly. Look at I think it was Goldman Sachs. It worked for them successfully. Rewind this same scenario with no stimulus, and if the economy has a severe recession, the tax revenues plummet anyway, and both parties, government and economy are in the toliet with increasing deficit and bankruptcy, bank failures, etc.

This is one theory, and I know you strongly disagree and I admire your stance on your views. I truly believe a strong economy has to have money exchanging hands. That's why I believe while far from being perfect, it is still better than nothing. Not to say that it will not have its own side effects. Just like bad medicine, we are already experiencing the nausea.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 10, 2009 at 6:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: I appreciate the ability we have to disagree without being disagreeable. I'm afraid we are headed for a deep depression and the things Obama and the democrat congress have done, will only make it more severe. I know the government works on a lot larger scale than mine and your check books, but the principle will always be the same, if you are going to survive financially. You can't spend what we don't have! Obama and the dems are saying they have rescued the economy and only 10% of the stimulus has been spent. This is why I believe the economy would most likely have come back if nothing had been done. We will never know. They had no problem letting the one bank fail, but that's another story all it's own. If the rest of this stimulus money makes it into the economy, it will just cause massive inflation. Congress will always tell us that we have to tighten our belts and sacrifice, but they will sit up there at the same time and vote themselves huge raises. We will never even try to balance the budget and pay off the national debt, until we have physically conservative, freedom loving Americans is the leadership in Washington.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 10, 2009 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Purelogic: 11:24pm 9th.
Yes, there are some in the world who know exactly where all this will take us, and it is their intent for that to happen.

The May 14-17 Bilderberg yearly conference in Greece has come and gone, however a 73 page wrap up of what was discussed behind closed doors, leaked out to reporters.

'The participants, roughly 130 of the world's most powerful and wealthy individuals, were there to discuss the global economic crisis. Many of them were the primary architects of the crisis, as well as those ready to "solve" it.'

I read the report - to me it is their lust for Dominion through a new one world order, run by the wealthiest, most powerful on the planet. And I realize this is labeled a theory of the right wing extremists, but isn't that what they would want you to believe?

Three days after the Bilderberg meeting in May, Gates/Buffet have a secret confab in New York and look who pops up: D. Rockefeller sr., George Soros, Ted Turner, Michael Bloomberg, Ophra Winfrey, Eli Broad...again leaks to newspapers of what was discussed.

"Leading billionaires have met secretly to consider how their wealth could be USED TO SLOW THE GROWTH OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION." As well as "joining forces to overcome POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS OBSTACLES TO CHANGE."

purelogic, research this if you will... it is true.
www.globalresearch.ca THE BILDERBERG PLAN FOR 2009: REMAKING THE GLOBAL POLITICAL ECONOMY, by Andrew Gavin Marshall. Very interesting reading.

You may be too young to remember Nelson Rockefeller in the 1970's calling for the creation of a "new world order, as well as Jimmy Carter saying: "We must replace balance of power politics with WORLD ORDER politics."

Dan: 8:23 - 2 Thess.2:4 and Rev. 13:16-17 Worth reading also.
God bless us.

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 10, 2009 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The New World Order is not something that was started a few decades ago. Look on the back of the One dollar bill. On the The Great Seal there are 3 word's NOVUS ( NEW ) ORDO ( WORLD ) SECLORUN ( ORDER ). Each and every President we have ever had has been working toward this. So was Adolf Hitler,not unlike the Jews. Research the meaning of the word Israel.My good people, we are not only fighting for our freedom's , but its a Spiritual fight. Pray like never before. The new Health Care Admin. could very well be Dr. Death, because he will hold your life and mine in his hand.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 10, 2009 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: We can barely predict the weather today, much less the economy. It doesn’t matter how much money you have and how smart you are, you can’t predict how many dots will be on my die when I roll it. Even Jesus said no man know when I come.

Do you realize the cause of the great depression is still under debate? Keep in mind that it is all in hindsight, which is far better than foresight. It was once the words of a man, we have nothing to fear, but the fear itself.

Now, I am going to keep my optimistic outlook, as I have held my entire life. Why are you trying so hard to bring me down? :) I try to live and not take any more than I give, and live a decent life. My son already has more material junk than I ever did when I was the age. In 100 years we will all be gone from this place. What matters is not how much we worried and knew, but the way we lived and treated one another.

My advice to you, and I hope it is something you can take in the best way, for it’s took me all my life to realize it. If I were to leave this world tomorrow, I’m better off not worrying about it to night. We need to plan for tomorrow, and that is so true, but we also need to LIVE TODAY. If you gain peace within yourself, you can see it in the world. You can not look for it in the world, and then find it in yourself.

Good night.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Part 1:

Jim Hill's Letter to Barbara Boxer
Many of us witnessed the arrogance of Barbara Boxer as she admonished a brigadier general because he addressed her as "ma'am" and not "Senator" before a Senate hearing. This letter is from a National Guard aviator and Captain for Alaska Airlines. I wonder what he would have said if he were really angry. Long fly Alaska !!!!!

Dear Senator Boxer:
You were so right on when you scolded the general on TV for using the term, "ma'am," instead of "Senator". After all, in the military, "ma'am" is a term of respect when addressing a female of superior rank or position. The general was totally wrong. You are not a person of superior rank or position. You are a member of one of the world's most corrupt organizations, the U.S. Senate, equaled only by the U.S. House of Representatives.
Congress is a cesspool of liars, thieves, inside traders, traitors, drunks (one who killed a staffer, yet is still revered), criminals, and other low level swine who, as individuals (not all, but many), will do anything to enhance their lives, fortunes and power, all at the expense of the People of the United States and its Constitution, in order to be continually re-elected. Many democrats even want American troops killed by releasing photographs. How many of you could honestly say, "We pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor"? None? One? Two?
Your reaction to the general shows several things. First is your abysmal ignorance of all things military. Your treatment of the general shows you to be an elitist of the worst kind. When the general entered the military (as most of us who served) he wrote the government a blank check, offering his life to protect your derriere, now safely and comfortably ensconced in a 20 thousand dollar leather chair, paid for by the general's taxes. You repaid him for this by humiliating him in front of millions.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Part 2:

Second is your puerile character, lack of sophistication, and arrogance which borders on the hubristic. This display of brattish behavior shows you to be a virago, termagant, harridan, nag, scold or shrew, unfit for your position, regardless of the support of the unwashed, uneducated masses who have made California into the laughing stock of the nation.
What I am writing, Senator, are the same thoughts countless millions of Americans have toward Congress, but who lack the energy, ability or time to convey them. Under the democrats, some don't even have the 44 cents to buy the stamp. Regardless of their thoughts, most realize that politicians are pretty much the same, and will vote for the one who will bring home the
most bacon, even if they do consider how corrupt that person is. Lord Acton (1834 - 1902) so aptly charged, "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Unbeknownst to you and your colleagues, "Mr. Power" has had his way with all of you, and we are all the worse for it.
Finally Senator, I, too, have a title. It is "Right Wing Extremist Potential Terrorist Threat." It is not of my choosing, but was given to me by your Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano. And you were offended by "ma'am"?
Have a fine day. Cheers!
Jim Hill
16808 - 103rd Avenue Court East
South Hill , WA 98374

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you rgodwin for posting this letter, as I don't have a lot of time to spend on the computer, thank you again. It's right on the money.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

winkie : I thought it was great also, so I wanted others to see it.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Purelogic: Because I present some facts that are little known to the general public and it ALERTS people as well as educates them on who the REAL CULPRITS ARE, does not mean I am not Optimistic (a Christian cannot not be anything but optimistic), and worry is not in my vocabulary. What does worrying do for a situation - NOTHING!

I would rather be pro-active by 1st prayer for our Nation and people, and 2nd passing on information that we are entitled to know about, since it is our lives and our childrens that they are manipulating.

And yes, Gates and Buffet and Oprah are very concerned about the population of the world - hence forced abortions and sterilizations, euthanasia and PANDEMICS. Are we to be the blind stupid sheep or the frog in the water that gets heated up? Maybe you can, but some of us cannot.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgowin: I was fortunate this morning to catch C-span, and guess who was receiving the Clare Booth Luce Award - Phyllis Schlafly! That is a WOMAN we can be grateful to for stopping the Equal Rights Amendment from passing and many other victories for us through her Eagle Forum.

Schlafly is feared by the Liberals and Feminists, the latter she points to as being the key people in anti-marriage, anti-children propaganda.

On Eagle Forum I found that the NEA (National Education Assoc.) at their annual convention this year in San Diego, went ALL OUT SUPPORT of same-sex marriage. "This emphasis on advocacy for homosexuals was spelled out in the 5 point New Business Item E" part of their agenda.

That's the NEA for you.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know Shamrock, The NEA is just like all other unions that I'm familiar with, or at least the union leadership. My daughter is a teacher and I'm sure, a member of the NEA, but I guarantee you that she is a strong conservative, a good educator and no one will ever dictate her vote. During the republican presidential primaries, I really liked, Mike Huckabee until, I learned that he was supported by the NEA. I still like him personally, but I could never support anyone with my vote, that was supported by this group. The leaders of this union, are a big reason we have liberal, left wing idiots, running our government today. It just goes to show, that without a good moral foundation and proper guidance at home, you can graduate from our schools and colleges, with good grades and still be to stupid to cast an intelligent vote .

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Congratulations for raising such a fine example of what a teacher should be, your daughter. I know you're very proud of her. Does she teach in our County by any chance? Don't have to answer that, but I hope she does.

I agree with you on Huckabee. Very likable, minister, talks conservative, but like you said, the NEA knows something about him that we don't, or they wouldn't support him in a heart beat.

I believe there is an active American Party in one of the western states - that was the Birch Society's pick for President, John Schultz, running on the American Party ticket, we campaigned for, and also Dr. John Grady, Fla. a very fine Christian man involved in pro-life. In those days, these people were able to get media attention, but not any more.

I'd lost track of Eagle Forum, but it is alive and well and has many young people involved.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: I am not blind. I see farther than most(in my own opinion.) That doesn't mean I see the same things you seem to see.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Winkie: Hang in there with us. We cover alot of very good and interesting subjects here as long as we can.
Liked your Aug. 10th post at 10:14 pm.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: you are correct about the school system, look at the article below. It's truly amazing to me, how people continue to defend anything Obama and the democrat congress want to do. This man knew what they were, way back in 1944.

Norman Mattoon Thomas
(Nov 20, 1884 - Dec 19, 1968) was a leading socialist, pacifist and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party Of America.

The Socialist Party candidate for President of the U.S, Norman Thomas, said this in a 1944 speech.

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism", they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. He went on to say "I no longer need to run as a Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party; The Democrat Party has adopted our platform."

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Thank you for sharing Jim Hill's letter. He spoke with candor and total truth. Boxer doesn't deserve American spit, and certainly not a vote! CA voters amaze me! How can any state produce a Boxer AND Pelosi? Simply amazing!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 7:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, agreed, Loyal. California also has the infamous distinction of having the Seat of Satan in the U.S. north of San Francisco, as well as Bohemian Grove in the Redwood Forest. May I add Berkley.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: our posts crossed. Norman Thomas! that's a great piece of information! Thank you. You know those people back then had it all mapped out and even got in our face with it. Only a few discerning people got it.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 8:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pure logic: I know you're not blind - you see much farther than the majority of folks.
I just wanted you to know, I don't worry, and what I present is information we all deserve to know. I guess it all has to do with how it's received.

Sometimes this info seems so "far out", we tend to sit back and take a deep breath, then go over it again.
And I understand it's difficult to believe that people, wealthy powerful people, can be very evil.

But that's the time we're living in right now. It's best to know who the enemy is. Don't you agree?

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Isn't it astounding how methodically America has had socialism woven into our society? I remember in high school one of my teachers made the comment that, "true communism is a wonderful type of gov't." After choking on the air I sucked into my throat, I made a comment that was determined to be "disrespectful" by said teacher. My comment was not disrespectful. I simply let him know that I rejected what he said and did not agree. Then I pointed out how his classroom was an example of communism; quash any opposing views and label free speech as "disrespectful". It all sounds eerily familiar doesn't it?

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: Don't forget Maxine Waters, I believe this idiot is also from California. I don't see how moron could possibly get elected dog catcher, much less to congress. She would lower the IQ of any room she happened to walk into. I'm so proud to be from Alabama!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican : I was fortunate enough not to have any vocally liberal teachers when I was in school. I think there were a couple, but they kept their mouths shut about politics. Most of my teachers were raised on farms and knew the value of hard work. There were some younger teachers coming into the system, by the time I graduated, and you could already tell how things were going to change.
I just heard where they are going to redo the way they do the census. You can bet that it will be something that will benefit liberal democrats. I hope people are paying attention and vote these scoundrels out, while we still have a country.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 9:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: you're right, only a few people got it back in 1944, but the liberals toady can read these things and still be too blind to admit it is happening, and conservatives have sat still and let it happen. I believe, hope and pray that we are waking up! If Americans don't wake up soon, there's not going to be an America to wake up to!

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 11, 2009 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock, I’m glad you don’t worry. I say I don’t worry, but that’s a lie. Let me say I try not to worry. You are correct; there are evil rich people as well as evil poor people.

If you were sitting in a class with the uni-bomber a few years ago, do you think that you could have picked him out? Could you see the evil that he would eventually wind up doing? I don’t think I could have. How about the folks that are clean cut, and are quite charming? Can you pick out those that are evil? Can you tell them from the ones that are just socially inept, and wouldn’t hurt a flea? It’s easy enough to assume someone is evil that isn’t likeable, and just as equally hard to assume someone is evil that is likeable.

Yet there are evil people that work in groups as well as the loners, as was proved on 9/11. I think there are fewer people that work in groups than alone, thank God. And out of that number, even a lesser subgroup that just so happen to be rich, evil and working in groups. So I don’t think Oprah and Buffet are working together on some evil scheme, if that’s what you are saying. :) Not to be too negative and to quote Gandalf from the Lord of the Rings, “There are good forces that are working together in this world, and that is an encouraging thought.”

To answer your question however, yes it is best to know who the enemy is. Sometimes that is the very difficulty that we face however.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The lying Obama, led Americans to believe yesterday, in his liberal loaded town hall meeting in New Hampshire, that the AARP was backing his health care reform. He said that, the AARP would not be endorsing his plan if he intended to cut medicare. This was either a lie, or just very misleading, because a spokesman for the AARP said, they have not endorsed the plan. I prefer to believe it's just another lie on his part, since that's all he does.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The below link, is to a great article, comparing what education reform would look like by democrats, if their same health care reform principles were applied to education reform.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/w...

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Surprise, surprise! little 13 year old girl who asked Obomer health care question in yesterdays town hall circus, was a plant!

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/0...

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

FACIST, one word explanation for Obama care!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2...

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pure Logic: You seem like a nice person that wants to be fair, but you are somewhat naive when it comes to knowing who the people are and have been working deligently for a Novus Ordo Seclorum. This is not new news.

If you really want to know, all the information is there.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin:
By channel surfing last night, I caught the tale end of the 1st half of Larry King - where Representive Dr. Ron Paul was presenting his arguments against the Health Care Bill - using for one thing, the exorbitant cost, in the 3 trillions before it's over, to implement this system.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: I missed it. I'd shoot my television, if it ever went to CNN, but I bet he was closer, in his figures, than any democrat would ever admit. The only reason CNN would let him on, is because he looks and sounds different, and they will make him out to look like, a right wing nut case, even though he's smarter than all the libs put together.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: I took your advice and read Dr. Dave Janda's summarization of Obama's Health care. Just as we thought! Ted Turner's de-population plan to reduce population, in the end, from 6 billion to 2 billion, was given the go ahead after the Buffet/Gates meeting.

PureLogic: Can you see how evil the wealthy, powerful can effect government policies, to include genocide. Once this goes into Law, it will then be turned over the the U.N.'s new World Department of Health! That's the PLAN!

I hope everyone reading this will take just a minute to read www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/230495/p... that rgodwin got for us.
WORD OF THE DAY: FACISM ! (Stalin style)

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To reach this site on Dr. Janda: please add: http//www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/230495
Sorry about that.
Rg, can you repost this on Tolbert's Beneficial for All ?
I've printed it and will send it to the Drs. in town.

Pro-action is a necessary requirement for us today.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One more time, Shamrock. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2...

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: is this, what you're looking for?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2...

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock,

I think I accomplished, what you asked me to do. You can check and see.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Watch the New TV Ad Exposing
The Obama Health Care Takeover.
HOW MANY NETWORKS, DO YOU THINK, YOU'LL SEE IT ON?

https://www.newsmaxstore.com/contribute/...

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Saw this, and had to share. The sad thing is, that's it's on the money!

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel , "Pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land".

Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovel, sit on your asses, and light up a camel, this is the Promised Land".

Now Obama has stolen your shovel, taxed your a%$, raised the price of camels, and mortgaged the Promised Land.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This Is Scary Stuff and he has to be stopped.

http://conservativeamerican.org/dems-lib...

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats a good one rgodwin.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

winkie thanks, we all need something to laugh about, every now and then, in times like we're facing with a corrupt government.

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No doubt the Earth cannot continue to support the explodeing population. How would you control popu. growth?

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just read the web sites you posted . SCARY!!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 12, 2009 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just a reminder, the date, Sep 12, for gathering in DC to let our voices be heard, is one month away. I wish we could have a decent showing from Alabama. Talking the talk is only part of what we need to do. If this effort is not a roaring success, Obama, Gibbs, Pelosi, Biden, Frank, Dodd and the rest of that ilk will be able to say, "told you so!!" I will be there and I know of three others going. We need an Alabama "delegation". United We Stand- Divided We Fall!!!!

Posted by justwingit (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I've been keeping up on all 310 comments. As Shamrock said on Aug. 9, I am one of those that are "...not informed enough to comment..." but have really enjoyed reading the comments ALL of you have posted and have become very much more "educated" on all the subjects that have been touched on. Thankyou!!! Loyal , rgodwin , and Shamrock.
Keep up the educating...wish more people were reading!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks justwingit,
I too wish more people would read, or just educate themselves more, on what its happening to our country!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

While we are all preoccupied with racism and Obomer health care, they are busy, trying to take more of our freedoms, under the radar. Everyone needs to Google, HR45 or HR45 gun bill. We really have, the worse kind of slime, running Washington.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Winkie: I mentioned seeing Phyllis Schlafly receiving the Clare Booth Luce Award on c-span. She addressed the "over-population" issue with the Faith we should all have in our God. Genocide to remove 4 billion people from the planet, either through nuclear bombs, created pandemics or as Stalin did to his countrymen, starvation, or, all of the above, is EVIL.

Overpopulation, like global warming, healthcare, and the like, are exaggerated or just simply made up by those in power over us.
Phyllis simply stated that if we returned to God as a people, He would provide the resources to sustain the increase in population. We are His children, why wouldn't He?
There are inexhaustible resources we haven't even tapped into, with billions of acres throughout the planet that are uninhabited.

We tend to forget that God wants people to be born to populate the earth, worhipping Him alone, with love for our neighbors, again taking up the 10 Commandments of love that our ancestors lived by. Once this happens, we shall again be blessed and happy.

Have you ever seen so many unhappy, fearful, depressed people in your life? Each one of us has to make the conversio back to our God and Creator for evil to go back to where it came from.

Sorry for the sermon...It just came to mind as I was posting. And, by the way, where are the ministers in all this?

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock,

Thank You, your sermon was a good one, and one we should all take to heart.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: You are so right about us getting side tracked with this racism thread. Obama and his Hell-Care hoopla is keeping us busy while his cronies figure out a way to slide the Gitmo terrorists onto American soil. America has been relatively safe.....since the pioneer days. We don't have to have our antenna on alert when we go to the theater, church, sidewalk cafe, restaurant, ballgame, basically any public venue. The general American public does not know about practicing OPSEC (Operation Security). Living overseas for many years, it was DRILLED into our heads, the importance of OPSEC; paying attention to your surroundings, not giving out more info than necessary in public places....you never knew who was listening or looking for trip wires before stepping onto your porch or getting into your vehicle, abandoned suitcases/briefcases etc. If these terrorist are allowed onto American soil, our security is going to be threatened. Sure they can put them in a SuperMax. A SuperMax is built to keep prisoners IN. How can they defend an attack from the outside? If the terrorists masterminds could bring down the Twin Towers they can certainly bring down a SuperMax! I think the move to American soil will awaken terrorist sleeper cells already in America. What better statement can a group of terrorists make than rescuing their comrades from THE most secure prison we have? Now that is a foundation shaker! The terrorist will also enjoy, gleefully, the egg smeared on America's face while doing so! If anyone out there thinks there are no sleeper cells in America, you are in total denial. With this Socialist gov't in power, the day will come, sooner rather than later; after we have been stripped of rights and beaten down, the day will be upon us when we will fear car bomb attacks, hostage taking, bombs in schools, theaters, churches,etc. Some of this we have experienced already. But we have not experienced it on the grand scale we will see when the terrorists get their toe-hold in America. That toe-hold begins with bringing the terrorists to America from Gitmo! We need to raise the roof over this one, yet continue to keep an eye on all the other shenanigans going on in DC. We have our work cut out for us!

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: I do appreciate your 9:53 sermon. I am and 'never' have beem for Genocide of any type. I truly believe the Health Reform is just how the Elite in America are going to control the population.

LoyalAmerican: We also need to be aware that we have home grown American borned terrorists. On the History Channel this morning, there was a documentary about Gangs from LA Calif. and Chicago ILL. moveing into Alaska. Everyone should have seen it. You are so right, "we do have our work cut out for us".

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

winkie: Absolutely, we have home grown terrorists! Americans by birth are terrorists , whether it is a McVeigh or an American going to a terrorist training camp if Afghanistan. One is the same as the other. And the gangs you speak of, what better ally does a terrorist have? They can organize from within the SuperMax in a coordinated effort with the outside to help free these Gitmo terrorists! I say if Obama wants to bring them on American soil, he sets up 240 beds and prayer mats facing east, in his secret bunker location and guard them there! After all it is touted to be THE SAFEST place in America!! No muss...no fuss!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I may be wrong, but I believe we have several liberal extremest in government, that would perform Genocide, on many outspoken conservatives, or have it done, if they thought for one second, that they could get away with it. I believe, that in this way, some of them are home grown terrorist. Terrorist, hate America, our freedoms and our way of life, and so do American liberal extremest. Liberal extremest in Washington, prove that fact, every time they attempt to take our freedoms from us, and they are proving it again, by trying to bring the Gitmo prisoners on US soil, and by shoving a health care program down our throats, that the majority of Americans, clearly doesn't want. I know that may sound extreme, but then they are extremest. If we had a news media that wasn't slanted to the left, and I mean, big time slanted, this would be evident to everyone!

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Voteing Obama POTUSA is tearing our Country apart. Everything we hold dear has been trashed.Other countries are watching us and wondering if Rome is burning from within.

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Richard Gibbs is a babbling idoit.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

winkie , you are so correct about Gibbs. I wonder what it's like, knowing that, the job that you do to support your family, is lying full time, to the American people. I wonder how he sleeps at night?

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 14, 2009 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: I got the puppets name wrong sorry, didn't notice it until just now so I will correct it. Robert Gibbs is a babbling idoit. I wonder what he will say when he comes before God.At least Counseling End of Life has been scraped. (Death Panel's) Not to say that a person doesn't have his/her right to decide for themselves to have Life Support. Thats what a Liveing Will is for.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 14, 2009 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

winkie, don't worry about that little mistake with the name. If we ever get to where, we don't make mistakes, we'll all be left wing liberal extremest. I for one, had rather be a conservative, and make a mistake, every now and then.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 14, 2009 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rg and loyal: there's some interesting postings going on concerning the article on the rising cost of electricity, you might like to read.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 14, 2009 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: I've been traveling as of late, and have not been on the computer for a couple of days.

Naive is surely a strong word. Why do you throw this at me? For years, the assassination of JFK was thought to be a conspiracy. Most folks today agree Lee harve Oswald was the lone shooter. To the conspiracists I'm sure I would have been called naive for suggesting he was the lone gunman a month or so after it happened.

Can you give proof of specific examples of Buffet and Gates trying to wreck evil havoc on the world? If you have this I'd like to see it. From everything I've read, the Gates foundation seems to be a nice charitable organization to have a positive affect in the world. I don't know everything they do, as some other folks obviously do. If they are nothing, but evil spreaders, someone enlighten me.

Do you believe God will protect you from snakes if you handle them and expose yourself to risk needlessly? I don't think God wants us to do such foolish things as this myself. I think he wants us to use our brains to look out for ourselves as much as possible. I believe he wants us to do the same thing as the human race. He wants us to preserve our planet on our own as much as possible. If he did not want us to do these things on our own, why give us the curiosity? Surely curiosity killed the cat, but do you think it come from the devil? I don't. Is this being naive as well? When we are given the tools for action, I believe God wants us to take action ourselves.

Does that mean I belive in global warming, and population control? No it does not, but I at least admire people for wanting to preserve the world for the future generations. I can not support abortion, and for my personal choice, I think there is only life. However, it bothers me a great deal knowing that children are born in the world without the loving and the guidance that is desperately needed. Sometimes even addicted to drugs and suffering withdrawal symptoms before their eyes ever see this world. Suddenly abortion seems more like compassion than murder.

Naive perhaps, but surely not a conclusion jumper.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 14, 2009 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: I try to live my life as a christian, but I often fall short of what I know, God wants me to be, but I'll tell you how I feel about abortion. I myself believe it is totally wrong, but I believe life, begins at conception, and if a child is aborted, that child's soul has a one way ticket to heaven. There will be no suffering for that child, but there will be for the person who had it aborted and for the doctor, or whoever aborted it. It may not happen in this lifetime, but they will pay and pay dearly, but the baby will be happy for eternity.

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 14, 2009 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

God don't make mistakes: Everyone/everything has a purpose. You cannot destroy what belongs to him and not suffer the consequence.

Jesus said," Suffer not the little children to come unto me, for its better to put a yoke around your neck and jump into the water than to harm one hair on their head". Abortion is a very bad thing to do. Geniocide is as well.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 14, 2009 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

justwingit: Re: Your Aug 13 post. Thank you! If my time spent on the computer helps one person, then it is time well spent! God Bless you!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

While on a 2 day sabbatical from the very addictive, yet mind sharpening, posting...I became enamered with the gesturings, the pausings, and the wide-eyed-teeth-smiling (when appropriate), the casual strolling on stage, smooth...

Oby is the quintessential Actor of actors. Shakespeareing!
I summarized abit on Tolbert's healthcare. I feel so refreshed today! THREE CHEERS FOR ZACH LAHN - only 23 yrs old and a spokesman for us!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock, I posted the below link on the Health Care Beneficial To All topic site, but anyone that thinks just the wealthy will be the only ones taxed under Obama's plans really needs to look and read. This is just an example, but it's all true.

http://townhall.com/columnists/NealBoort...

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Are we not blessed - not to have the types blogging on Racists that have appeared out from under rocks on the Lauren Letter debacle?! She loves the attention, good and bad.

I am concerned, (not worried) about the vaccine they are going to try to force on us. Already there is a revolt against UK's gov. plans to implement a mass flu vaccination. Some 30% of the NHS nurses in the UK will refuse to take the swine vaccine and 33% polled said they were still unsure.

"They fear the health consequences of the vaccine will be worse than the virus itself... It is being rushed thru safety proceedures, and the pharma companies will have blanket immunity from lawsuits for deaths and injuries."

Apparently, the mercury and squalene is their main concern, as they have been "linked with the killer nerve disease called Guillain-Barre Syndrome, (GBS) which is a brain disorder that can be triggered by the vaccine".

Mercury being linked to Autism, and.. "sqaulene is directly linked with cases of Gulf War Syndrome, as well as a host of other debilitating diseases."

It appears that the flu symptoms are manageable - it is the respiratory that must be addressed and treated at the onset or can cause hospitalization, as what happened to the boy in Opp. The best thing for us to do is to strenghthen our immunes systems and begin this now.

We have available Kyolic Garlic that builds our immune systems, having antibiotic and antiviral properties. It is inexpensive and easily taken by all ages - it is odorless and comes in liquid form for youngsters. I personally suggest at the first sign of any flu systems to take a tried and true homeopathic from France called Boiron's Occillococcinum. I call this magic. No side effects for any age.

Viruses spin in a certain direction. Occillo spins the viruses in the opposite direction and they die! If taken at the first sign, sore throat, you will most likely not have any symptoms at all. If taken after the first signs - fever and aches - your symptoms will be light and manageable, and shortened.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 6:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I should have given the following for anyone wanting to buy these products wholesale.
Both Kyolic and Occillococcinum can be purchased from www.vitacost.com
In fact they have everything you need to stay on top of this 'pandemic'.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 19, 2009 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

www.naturalnews.com has more information concerning the dangers of this swine vaccine. Please take time to read.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 20, 2009 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

News Bulletin! "Nicaragua Bans Abortion"! Amnesty International Slams Nicaragua for it's Pro-Life Laws.

Amnesty spouts: "It's a cruel, inhuman disgrace!" They then incorrectly argue that International Law REQUIRES countries to permit abortion.

Now this, my friends, should send us a Red Flag! Does AI know something from the United Nations we are not privy to as yet?

New Bulletin #2! "Three Nicaraguan Bishops Have Received Death Threats!" "Dangerous Situation of Violence There." The attackers are working for leftist Pres. Daniel Ortega. The Pro government TV Channel accused 2 of the Bishops of being CIA Agents! (sic)
Any connection to the abortion issue from the United Nations?
And we're concerned about who got fired at the Court House and for what reason?

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 21, 2009 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: it's a dark day when Nicaragua has stronger pro-life laws than the United States Of America. We now have a President that not only thinks it's fine to kill unborn babies, he now would like to exterminate our sick and elderly.

The UN should totally be kicked out of our country. There would not be a UN if it wasn't for the monetary support of the U.S. They are just a U.S. funded group of thugs, that we pay to hate America!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 21, 2009 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rgodwin: you are so on point!

"GET US OUT OF THE U.N.!"

We need some more of those bumper stickers that the Birchers put out in the 70's and 80's.
And I love:

"Live Free of Die!"

What is Alabama's Motto? Do you know?

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 21, 2009 at 7:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: "We Dare Defend Our Rights"

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 21, 2009 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Thanks for reminding me WHY I love Alabama!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 21, 2009 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: I love Alabama too and I hope people will stand up and help defend our individual and states rights, because Obama and his evil, extremist, liberal administration are working daily to take them away!

Posted by winkie (anonymous) on August 21, 2009 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone recieve an invitation to see/speak to Mr. Bobby Bright today at City Hall / Tabby D's? In my opinion, the whole affair was very badly handled by everyone but "The Patriot" & WAAO. Yep, like I've said before the Mayor is on top of everything. I just wish the County Folks could vote for City Officals like the City folk vote for County Officals. We must change that Discriminating Act as soon as possible

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 25, 2009 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama proved once again today what a liar he is by having Eric Holder announce that he is going to investigate and possibly prosecute CIA agents for torture after he had told the world, that he wanted to look forward and not backwards. Obama is such a disgrace to our nation as both President and Commander in Chief. I want all of you Obama supporters to realize that this one announcement not only increases our chance of being attacked as a nation, but it also puts our men and women in uniform around the world at greater risk. Obama, the dems and weak republicans call water boarding torture. The US use to use this on our own soldiers in POW training to condition them in case they were captured by the enemy. It was called part of POW training then, but when we use it on terrorist in order to save lives, it's called torture by these America haters. I don't care if they cut of a terrorist fingers a half inch at a time with a dull rusty hack saw, if it will save one Americans life. Obama is doing this because he, like Clinton hates the military, but it is also designed to be a distraction from health care reform. Keep your radars up and stay informed.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on August 27, 2009 at 6:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes rgodwin: good post as always - distractions - please add the absolutely United Nations Cap and Trade. Some of Gorbachev's Green Cross International ideology which is Pantheism - worhip of nature - is involved in all this.
He wants "a genuine renewal of life of the entire 'world community' in order to arrive at new conditions of existence for the human race."
And a set of new ethical commandments!!!
Sir, we are knee deep in Satan's kingdom, as the antichists do their Magic! (I quiver as I write these words)
Praise be to thee of God!